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Old 02-18-2014, 08:18 PM   #15
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Keep in mind I've been towing it with a restored 1975 mini truck.
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Old 02-18-2014, 08:23 PM   #16
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You are hoping to read responses that say 'go ahead'.
So, go ahead.
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:06 PM   #17
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Thanks Carol, looks like 2500lbs is probably a closer estimate. I'm just hoping to avoid buying a large vehicle just so we can tow with it a few weekends out of the year. I don't mind going slow, I will have a brake controller hooked up...so is 500 over going to cause problems?
You really don't need to get a big vehicle to pull a 16' but I would if you look at something with at least enough tow capacity rating.

Lots of people pull with the RAV4's and are happy with them. I pulled a 16' with an Outback with a tow rated of 2800lbs and it wasn't an unpleasant or scary experience - actually some might be a little surprised as to how well it did tow. I did have to be careful with how I stowed the trailer and didn't expect much in the way of hill power. The pit fall to it was the tongue weight limit of 200lbs and you can't use a WDH on it. I do though tow a lot of miles (not your average week-end camper ) It probable would have been just fine if I was only doing a few trips a year rather than the wear and tear of 25,000 or more tow miles a year. I loved that car and have had 3 of them so making the switch to a slightly large tug was a tough one for me.
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You are hoping to read responses that say 'go ahead'.
So, go ahead.
I know I know. I can scour the internet and find photos of people hauling larger loads with this car. That doesn't make it safe. However it will certainly be safer than my current option which I only plan to continue to do for short trips to car-related events (where people appreciate seeing the old pickup).

I'd be most worried about the transmission. In fact, I was doing some research on the Mini Countryman today. I'd prefer a stick shift and Mini offers the Clubman with all the niceties, the more powerful engine, and all wheel drive with a manual transmission. Mazda only offers the base model. Of course Mini doesn't recommend towing at all with the car in the US but they rate it at 1000kg (with trailer brakes) in the UK. More research revealed owners are using them to tow upwards of 2,000lbs.

I don't know. I just don't want to drive a full size truck every day for the few weekends out of the year I'll be hauling a trailer. If rear sag is an issue I'm not opposed to installing adjustable shocks or something.
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A full size truck is not your only option. Honda mini van, or Pilot, Toyota Highlander, Ford Escape (properly equipped, higher powered engine.) Nissan X terra. (GM probably has a couple of vehicles that would work too, but since being screwed by them as a former employee, I don't bother keeping up with their product.)
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Old 02-19-2014, 02:17 PM   #20
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So the Escape is near identical in size to the CX-5. It appears the 1.6L is rated for 2,000lbs and the 2.0L is rated for 3,500lbs. Aside from the obvious increase in torque and horsepower what else does the Escape offer that improves it's towing capabilities? Does the tow package change the final drive ratio or include larger brakes or radiator?
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I know I know. I can scour the internet and find photos of people hauling larger loads with this car. That doesn't make it safe. However it will certainly be safer than my current option which I only plan to continue to do for short trips to car-related events (where people appreciate seeing the old pickup).

I'd be most worried about the transmission. In fact, I was doing some research on the Mini Countryman today. I'd prefer a stick shift and Mini offers the Clubman with all the niceties, the more powerful engine, and all wheel drive with a manual transmission. Mazda only offers the base model. Of course Mini doesn't recommend towing at all with the car in the US but they rate it at 1000kg (with trailer brakes) in the UK. More research revealed owners are using them to tow upwards of 2,000lbs.

I don't know. I just don't want to drive a full size truck every day for the few weekends out of the year I'll be hauling a trailer. If rear sag is an issue I'm not opposed to installing adjustable shocks or something.
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What others are doing, what specfications apply to "European Versions" and how a Mazda Compares with a Ford are all non-starters in discussions about safe towing and towing ratings.

And installing heavy duty shocks/springs will also have no effect to the ratings.

As mentioned, ask your ins company about what will happen to your coverage if you have an accident while towing over limit. Better yet, ask a good atty. about the wisdom of doing same.

We may disagree with what some mfgs. set as towing limits, but it's what we got.....

FWIW: If I were to tell you that towing over limit is safe, you could then point a finger at me in court some day..... no thanks, I won't do that, and neither should anyone else.....

For this discussion, yer on your own...
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I agree they are non-starters when talking about tow ratings. We can't change those, but I find value in discussing how those ratings are derived and whether safety is actually the primary concern.

There could be a strong argument (using the different models of the Ford Escape for example) that ratings are used to boost sales of larger motors and provide a cushion of safety for the warranty claims department. If the only difference between the higher rated version is horsepower and torque the rating seems to be more about what is preferred for towing, not what is safe for towing.

Now as far as the CX-5 is concerned. They don't have a version rated high enough to tow my trailer so there could be a number of reasons beyond horsepower and torque numbers. The final drive ratio according to cars.com is 4.62 while the Escape is 3.07. That probably means the CX-5 will be hunting for gears with a heavy load in tow. So even if the chassis is safe, the transmission could be prone to failure. If my assumptions about that are true, I most likely don't want a CX-5 right now.

...there are rumors of the CX-5 getting a Diesel in the near future. Last report claimed 2016 model year. Not sure I want to wait over a year to find out what those specs will be. I could always pick up a used Escape and drive it for a few years until Mazda gets their act together.
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If you are looking used, a pre-2013 Toyota RAV4 with tow prep package is rated 3,500 lbs.
My 2008 Sport V6 has 269 hp. a larger radiator and alternator and transmission oil cooler. Hitch and wiring are extra.
In 2013 they dropped the V6 and lowered the rating to 1,500 lbs. and lost me as a potential customer. Luckily, I've only got 62,000 kilometers on it ( 38,500 miles ).
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I agree they are non-starters when talking about tow ratings. We can't change those, but I find value in discussing how those ratings are derived and whether safety is actually the primary concern.

There could be a strong argument (using the different models of the Ford Escape for example) that ratings are used to boost sales of larger motors and provide a cushion of safety for the warranty claims department. t
Is providing a cushion of safety to avoid warranty claims a bad thing? Me thinks its probable a good thing as once the vehicle is off warranty I am paying the repair bills and the fewer repairs I have to pay out of pocket the better!

There really isn't a great deal of value to this forum on speculating about how tow ratings at set. Which is what one is doing in discussing how tow ratings are derived. Unless we had a senior engineer from each auto manufacture who can tell us factually how each car is built and tested its all speculation. Nothing solid enough in my mind to be worth risking my safety, my passengers safety or those I share the road with.

Will be pretty darn happy when all the auto makers get back on board with the SAE J2807 the standard “Performance Requirements for Determining Tow-Vehicle Gross Combination Weight Rating and Trailer Weight Rating,” Really sorry they bail on it last year - but very happy to see one of the big ones bragging about using it on one of their vehicle ads this year! As expected that has resulted in a couple of the other big manufactures saying they will indeed be back onboard by 2015.... that is if you honestly think any of them actually stopped doing the testing anyways!

The SAE J2807 will hopefully once and for all end all the conspiracy theorist here as well.
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The cushion of safety with warranty claims is definitely a good thing, but I'm trying to avoid over-buying for the 10-15 days out of the year I will be towing.

If it came down to "this vehicle was not rated higher because it is low on power and torque" I'd be willing to take that chance. If it came down to cooling system limitations, braking, and/or handling then its a completely different story for me. Anyway, I guess its not worth discussing, especially in this thread.

I came back here for a bit of an update. I've driven both the CX-5 and the CX-9 now. Although the 9 is significantly larger, it is probably a better fit for me. I can get a pre-owned one with similar options for around the price of a new CX-5. Gas mileage is 16/24 instead of 24/30 but other than that it seems like the best solution for me (if I go with Mazda) since it is rated at 3,500 lbs with tow package.
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