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Old 11-06-2018, 03:51 PM   #1
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Hi. I have a 2005 toyota matrix xr. I want to tow a scamp 13'. Would it be legal to tow the scamp without extension mirrors in California? If yes, are there any recommendations on which ones to buy? Thank you.
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Hi. I have a 2005 toyota matrix xr. I want to tow a scamp 13'. Would it be legal to tow the scamp without extension mirrors in California? If yes, are there any recommendations on which ones to buy? Thank you.
That depends on the trailer width and the tow width and if can or will travel so you can see through the trailer. 200' behind the trailer seems to the point where it become legal or not. Here's the AAA tow law concerning mirrors in CA.
"California Trailer Mirrors

A motor vehicle towing a vehicle or trailer must be equipped with mirrors on both the left and right side which provide a view of at least 200 feet of the highway."


I believe that is interpreted as at least 200' behind the trailer and then as you can see.
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Hi. I have a 2005 toyota matrix xr. I want to tow a scamp 13'. Would it be legal to tow the scamp without extension mirrors in California? If yes, are there any recommendations on which ones to buy? Thank you.



As far as type of mirror extension there's all kinds and you'll probably have to try a couple before you know which one will work best for you.


I'm using this type of mirror and they work well for me, maybe they wont work so well for and others.
https://www.campingworld.com/curt-ex...iew-tow-mirror
Now that we've opened that can of worms I'll they'll be a number of people more than willing to tell you exactly what you, it's what they've got.
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As far as type of mirror extension there's all kinds and you'll probably have to try a couple before you know which one will work best for you.


I'm using this type of mirror and they work well for me, maybe they wont work so well for and others.
https://www.campingworld.com/curt-ex...iew-tow-mirror
Now that we've opened that can of worms I'll they'll be a number of people more than willing to tell you exactly what you, it's what they've got.
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Hi Everyone. Thank you for responding. I ran to Uhaul, and checked out their extension mirrors. They have 2. One was not design for the long haul. Other would surely fall off while driving. Then I went over to Camping World. Talked to a couple with experience in hauling, and was told that I don't need extension mirrors. The scamp 13' is 80 inches wide. My car is 70 inches wide. That makes the scamp 5 inches wider than my car on each side. But the scamp is about 2 feet behind my car, which is 14 feet length. The mirror is about 4 feet from the front end. That puts the scamp about 12 feet behind my rear view mirrors. At that distance, the scamp doesn't block me from seeing 200 feet behind me on either adjacent lane. I have decided that I won't be needing them. Thank you all for the help.
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Good decision VP. Unless the trailer is a lot wider than the tug you're not gaining much rear side view advantage. FWIW, the 200' "behind" a trailer doesn't mean directly behind, it but a 200' distance along the sides. This topic comes up every now and then and seems to go sideways because of the misconception of behind . Pretty sure, back in the day when the rule was written, backup/rear view cameras weren't even a twinkle in someone's eye yet .
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Hi. I have a 2005 toyota matrix xr. I want to tow a scamp 13'. Would it be legal to tow the scamp without extension mirrors in California? If yes, are there any recommendations on which ones to buy? Thank you.
Towing a Scamp13D with a 2008 Ford Escape was about equivalent to what you propose as far as rear visibility is concerned.
Over the years we have tried just about every aftermarket mirror, the rubbermount ones tend to vibrate too much.


I took a good quality bicycle mirror and modified it to work as a rock solid reliable extension mirror. It works well to exceed the standard of 200 feet, seeing much closer behind the trailer, clearly and without vibration.

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Mckesh mirrors

If you get stopped and the officer sticks some number of fingers out the sides of your trailer at the rear, you better be able to count them.


I use these on my tacoma. They might be overkill for some but they are rock solid.



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If you get stopped and the officer sticks some number of fingers out the sides of your trailer at the rear, you better be able to count them.
Must be a different in NY Carl. In 20 years of commercial trucking in CA, I've never had an officer pay any attention to the mirrors other than that they were on the truck .
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That depends on the trailer width and the tow width and if can or will travel so you can see through the trailer. 200' behind the trailer seems to the point where it become legal or not. Here's the AAA tow law concerning mirrors in CA.
"California Trailer Mirrors

A motor vehicle towing a vehicle or trailer must be equipped with mirrors on both the left and right side which provide a view of at least 200 feet of the highway."


I believe that is interpreted as at least 200' behind the trailer and then as you can see.
I think it is a great idea to use the extended mirrors and know there are laws on the books but really, how much do the enforce these laws? I imagine if there is an accident and your did not have mirrors there will be an issue but would they pull you over and issue a ticket for not having them? I doubt it.
Here in Maine, I was also told it is illegal to tow anything from the "STEP N' TOW" bumper, you see on all these trucks. But you see it all the time!
If one got down in the dirt and saw how this bumper is hooked up to frame and how thin the metal is behind this so called "TRAILER HITCH BUMPER" one wouldn't haul a childes wagon on it.
My point is, there may be a law on the books but do they enforce them. Probably not.
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200' means 200'. "Behind" means starting at the back of the trailer. What the laws do not clarify, and where the debate rages, is whether the field of view must include the lane you're in or only the adjacent lanes.

As the former is geometrically impossible with a standard 8' wide trailer and any towing mirrors that don't violate vehicle width regulations, I am of the opinion the latter was intended.

That said, a field of view that includes at least a partial view of your own lane is helpful. And since a Scamp is wider than your Matrix, your view of the adjacent lanes is somewhat obstructed, so I think mirror extensions are indicated in this case.

The elephant in the room here is your 1500# tow rating (which is based on only a driver and no cargo in the vehicle). Most Scamps weigh more than that, and most people tow with more than just a driver in the vehicle.
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Dave, mirrors are a given on a truck. Non professional drivers are the biggest hazard on the road, especially when towing a trailer. How far you can see behind the trailer is a judgement call by the officer that pulls you over. Regardless, you have to be able to see all the way down the side of the trailer and the finger test is easy verification for that. The probability of being ticketed for not having proper visibility is small, however it is an important safety issue.
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Towing a Scamp13D with a 2008 Ford Escape was about equivalent to what you propose as far as rear visibility is concerned.
Over the years we have tried just about every aftermarket mirror, the rubbermount ones tend to vibrate too much.


I took a good quality bicycle mirror and modified it to work as a rock solid reliable extension mirror. It works well to exceed the standard of 200 feet, seeing much closer behind the trailer, clearly and without vibration.

Here are some pics...
That is a useful way of using a bicycle mirror. Your extension mirrors are great if you have a place to store the car without people running into it and breaking it off and causing damage to the car.
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