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Old 01-30-2012, 06:40 PM   #43
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Never really into trucks much, I went to a Monster Truck show that had a mud bog. As they ran the different brands of trucks through the obstacle people screamed vile insults at the brand of truck they disliked, and their owners. Each brand had its own detractors.

I took a Ford '04 F-150 on a planned year-long tour of the United States. What happened to me with that truck was nothing short of a nightmare. Half-way through lost the motor because of a tune-up. A friend gave me an old '04 Chevy Suburban that ran great the rest of the way and required almost no repairs. I still drive it 2 years later.

I am not foolish enough to jump into an argument about trucks. Learned my lesson at the Monster Truck show.

The proof is in the pudding. All new trucks look and drive great. For me the question is, what happens down the road? And when bad things happen like they do to every brand now and then, how is it handled? Think carefully about Ford. Search on the internet about potential problems and how they are handled.

Here's a video I shot about the terrible spark plug design on the '04 F150 that didn't show up until it was time for the first tune-up. Ford had no interest whatsoever in helping us. Period.

Ford '04 Spark Plug problem

Caveat emptor...
Or buy the tool ($108) and have them out in 15 minutes, I have never seen one with 4 stuck plugs,but if one can stick, I suppose it could happen to 4. It must be said though that the 4.6 Ford is the most common engine in taxis, pickups and squad cars for 20 years with an absolutely incredible service record. The plugs are easy access but a stuck plug should not be approached without the tool.
I actually have seen MUCH worse. Like engines which require intake removal to change plugs, or motor mount removal with the need to rotate the engine. Or some that just seem to require a three-handed ambidextrous contortionist!
I can't prove this, but regular use of Pro-Gard fuel injection cleaner would likely be a prophylactic measure, It absolutely keeps injectors, intake valves and pistons clean. While I have serviced oversized trucks and cars, I don't own them. But with Pro-Gard I have yet to replace an injector, and my plugs look perfect with 100,000 mile change intervals. The stuff is very aggressive against amine build up, which is the main cause of stuck injectors.
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:30 PM   #44
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The Ecoboost in the F150 has been out for well over a year with very few, if any, common problems. But who knows, maybe it will be a dud. Mine hasn't missed a beat in 24 000 km with over 10k of them towing. I also didn't fall for the hype over it's fantastic fuel mileage. It's comparable to the Tacoma it replaced as far as fuel mileage but has a much better torque curve. I'm not aware of any gas truck engine that has torque numbers that this engine has at such a low rpm. Unless you've towed with one it would be hard to say that it does not offer better towing power. It's obviously not a diesel but it pulls like one.
I agree that all the truck manufacturers have or have had issues. From Ford's 5.4 sparkplug issue (Floyd is right, buy the right tool) to Dodge's "death wobble" in 3/4 and 1 ton models, Chevy's 5.3 cylinder deactivation that destroyed the engine requiring a complete rebuild, questionable frame strength on the Tundra and it goes on and on and on!!!
I needed a crewcab 4x4 with a 6.5ft box and the Ford was it. I am by no means a "Ford guy". I don't care what brand I drive as long as it suits my needs and right now the F150 is it.
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Old 01-31-2012, 01:21 PM   #45
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In contrast to BCDave, I only ever bought 2 used vehicles in my lifetime, and strongly regretted both. A 12 year old Mercury Grand Marquis that was costing me more in repairs than a new car payment (which I subsequently traded for a new car payment!) and a 7-8 year old F150 5.4L bi-fuel pickup that blew 3 spark plugs and cost as much in repairs as I had paid for the truck.

No, I can't see buying someone else's mistake. If they are getting rid of it, chances are there is a good reason! I prefer to buy new and run the thing for a couple hundred thousand miles. That way I know the repair history.
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In contrast to BCDave, I only ever bought 2 used vehicles in my lifetime, and strongly regretted both. A 12 year old Mercury Grand Marquis that was costing me more in repairs than a new car payment (which I subsequently traded for a new car payment!) and a 7-8 year old F150 5.4L bi-fuel pickup that blew 3 spark plugs and cost as much in repairs as I had paid for the truck.

No, I can't see buying someone else's mistake. If they are getting rid of it, chances are there is a good reason! I prefer to buy new and run the thing for a couple hundred thousand miles. That way I know the repair history.
I went searching for a new truck because my old used truck would cost more to repair then its blue book value and I had already stuck more into it than what I originally paid for the truck .I originally looked at used trucks but I could buy a brand new loaded 2011 Ford Ranger for less than a 4 or 5 year old F150 with 60,000 miles and rust holes . I checked 5 dealers and fairly new used trucks were going for $17000 to $20000 ,I only paid slightly more for my 2011 brand new truck
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I went searching for a new truck because my old used truck would cost more to repair then its blue book value and I had already stuck more into it than what I originally paid for the truck .I originally looked at used trucks but I could buy a brand new loaded 2011 Ford Ranger for less than a 4 or 5 year old F150 with 60,000 miles and rust holes . I checked 5 dealers and fairly new used trucks were going for $17000 to $20000 ,I only paid slightly more for my 2011 brand new truck
The resent crash of the auto industry has had a trickle down effect to used vehicles. No one bought new cars therefor less used ones hit the market. That and more consumers are looking at purchasing used cars. I've read a few articles that mention used car prices are at a 16 year high and expect to pay 20 to 30% more. Dealers are having a hard time finding quality used cars. Here in Canada I can attest that we are on the 30% or more side and the quality is very poor. Like you mentioned, high kilometres and full of rust yet hardly cheap. Many people are heading south to buy used and then importing and are still saving money.
I started shopping for an egg and a tug at the same time with a set budget. I never thought finding the tug would be the harder of the two. My budget has expanded Searching daily, wish me luck.
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Old 02-01-2012, 03:02 PM   #48
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For reasons stated above, Clark Howard, (the financial advice guy), said that for the first time, some new vehicles are now better buys than used ones. As I have done with my last two vehicle purchases, Clark Howard recommends using Overstock.com and have dealers bid for your business. Using overstock.com I saved over $2000 on an identical truck to what my local dealer offered. I did have to travel nearly an hour to get it, but I figure that was well worth $2000.
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Old 02-01-2012, 03:21 PM   #49
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It's interesting as we attempt to get the most for our money, we start losing something else, our time. I have noticed at my Chrysler dealer when I take in my Dodge vehicle that was purchased there, I'm in and out within an hour. However when I return to the same dealer with my Jeep, which had not been purchased there, it takes twice the amount of time. Maybe it is my imagination but has anyone else had the same feeling/observation?
Hmm, maybe I should contact the dealership? Then it will take 3 times the amount of time!
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Unlike years ago, (how many, I don't know), dealers now get paid the same for warranty work as for non-warranty work. They are now more than happy to accept vehicles bought somewhere else. (At least that's what I've been told.)
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Unlike years ago, (how many, I don't know), dealers now get paid the same for warranty work as for non-warranty work. They are now more than happy to accept vehicles bought somewhere else. (At least that's what I've been told.)
I cannot vouch for how Ford does business, but having worked at a Volvo/Subuaru service department recently I can say that statement is not true for those two companies. Volvo and Subaru both pay substantially less for warranty work than dealerships charge for non-warranty work.

Despite that, the service manager where I worked is happy to take in warranty work from people who bought their vehicles elsewhere. He gets paid salary plus bonuses, and warranty work helps the bottom line.
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I'm sure they get paid the same for warranty work, but it seems that it took them longer to change the oil (which was the first time for this vehicle, it has 1 year and 1900 miles on it) I sat there for 2 hours for my Jeep and I'm in/out in less than one hour with my truck.
This maybe just my perception. Hmm, maybe I should change my mouthwash or after shave!!
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Or maybe they were just busier when you brought in your Jeep.
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In 7 years I have only had an oil change once at the dealership. First we're often on the road. Second, I virtually always go for the '10 minute' oil change.
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This is a little off topic but I can tell you a horror story about the Jiffy Lube experience. They seem to be paid on # changes and they take short cuts, like adjustable wrenches to remove the oil plug. I took my old CRD Liberty to one and then 5000 miles later back to my selling dealer who told me that my oil plug was stripped and because I have an aluminum pan it would need to be replaced. total cost $1500?
Needless to say I contacted Jiffy Lube and they did cover the damages while admitting that their employee did not use the correct tools. For ease of mind, another $20 paid at the dealer is worth it to me, if they break it, they fix it.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:57 AM   #56
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Working at the aforementioned dealership service department for two years I saw many horror stories resulting from people trying to save a few dollars. One local discount repair shop filled Subaru crankcases with tranny fluid and the transmissions with motor oil on at least two separate occasions. A retail electronics chain's stereo installer cut the fiber optic cables on a Volvo XC90. The worst, though, was a discount brake shop. After installing new front pads on a Volvo the technician forgot to tighten the caliper bolts. The right front caliper fell off on a flyover to I-35. No one was injured, but the car suffered extensive body damage.

I have received excellent service at Ford dealers from Hollister, CA to Manor, TX, and plan to take my F150 to Ford dealers for service. I'll take my chances with factory trained technicians over entry level techs.
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