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Old 02-02-2012, 12:07 PM   #57
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Horror Stories

There are always horror stories.

I don't get my changes at quick lubes because I'm necessarily trying to say money but rather save time. One or two hours at a dealership for each oil change over the life of a car amounts to 40-80 hours I can't be on the road or doing .....
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Old 02-02-2012, 05:02 PM   #58
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I have received excellent service at dealers from Hollister, CA to Manor, TX, and plan to take my F150 to Ford dealers for service. I'll take my chances with factory trained technicians over entry level techs.

You are assuming that the stealership uses Factory - trained techs.

In all my years of being involved in the automotive hobby, I have yet to meet a "factory-trained tech". Most are "learn-on-the-job" techs, straight out of tech school. Many have not bothered with the "tech school" step.

"Factory training" consists of local reps making the rounds of stealerships to point out to maximize the profits from "this repair" or "that one" and how to minimize costs if the same repair happens to be under warranty.

Having said that, an "inspired brain surgeon" at a 10-minute oil joint cost me an engine by installing the drain plug with a "rattle wrench" totally stripping the threads, causing the oil to all leak out and writing off my engine. (no cost to me, thanks to a lawyer's letter to the head office of the oil change company.)

However, I have also witnessed first hand, the "factory-trained techs" at a major Stealership using a rattle wrench for that purpose as well.


" One or two hours at a dealership for each oil change over the life of a car amounts to 40-80 hours I can't be on the road or doing ..... __________________
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80 hours at 2 hours each is 40 oil changes. Must be nice to be able to afford to trade a car in that often!

By my maint schedule, 40 oil changes comes to only about 120,000 miles. At that point I start to consider a car to be nearly broken in and almost ready to be used for some more serious duties, like trailer towing!
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Old 02-02-2012, 05:29 PM   #59
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You are assuming that the stealership uses Factory - trained techs.

In all my years of being involved in the automotive hobby, I have yet to meet a "factory-trained tech". Most are "learn-on-the-job" techs, straight out of tech school. Many have not bothered with the "tech school" step.

"Factory training" consists of local reps making the rounds of stealerships to point out to maximize the profits from "this repair" or "that one" and how to minimize costs if the same repair happens to be under warranty.
I know that Subuaru and Volvo require dealership's technicians be graduates of a two-year technical training program, and both companies require each technician to attend week-long training seminars regularly. A simple Google search revealed Ford has similar requirements.
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Old 02-02-2012, 05:46 PM   #60
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Oil Changes

When I was working, all of us with company vehicles were issued credit cards for a large oil change outfit . After loosing two engines to overfilling them with oil , we went back to using a dealer. I personally had one experience were they forgot to install the oil filter and two times they put 10 quarts in my 5 qt engine.
The people working at the oil change outfits in my area are mostly high school kids working part time and I have witnesses their grease gun fights. The dealer seems to have a level of professionalism not found at the quick change places
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:03 PM   #61
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"By my maint schedule, 40 oil changes comes to only about 120,000 miles. At that point I start to consider a car to be nearly broken in and almost ready to be used for some more serious duties, like trailer towing!" by BCDave

BCDave I wasn't attempting to be rigorous about the number of oil changes our Honda has had though I believe the order of magnitude is correct.

We have about 160,000 miles on our 2004 Honda CRV. We bought it new. I change the oil about every 5,000 miles. That would amount to 32 oil changes. Assuming a 1-2 hours at the dealer I should have said 32-64 hours.

We have had the car for 8 years and plan to keep it for about 5 more years and get a new one when we reach about 250,000 miles.

Our Honda uses 5-20 oil, and knock on wood, it hasn't had a repair nor does it burn oil.

At most places I go for an oil change, they fill the crankcase and than insert the dipstick and confirm the level, showing me the dip stick. This shows that there is a filter and that the correct amount of oil has been added.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:53 PM   #62
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"By my maint schedule, 40 oil changes comes to only about 120,000 miles. At that point I start to consider a car to be nearly broken in and almost ready to be used for some more serious duties, like trailer towing!" by BCDave

BCDave I wasn't attempting to be rigorous about the number of oil changes our Honda has had though I believe the order of magnitude is correct.

We have about 160,000 miles on our 2004 Honda CRV. We bought it new. I change the oil about every 5,000 miles. That would amount to 32 oil changes. Assuming a 1-2 hours at the dealer I should have said 32-64 hours.

We have had the car for 8 years and plan to keep it for about 5 more years and get a new one when we reach about 250,000 miles.

Our Honda uses 5-20 oil, and knock on wood, it hasn't had a repair nor does it burn oil.

At most places I go for an oil change, they fill the crankcase and than insert the dipstick and confirm the level, showing me the dip stick. This shows that there is a filter and that the correct amount of oil has been added.
I change oil & filter every 5,000 km (3,000 miles) - usually do it myself, but sometimes at a 'qwikee-loob" place. Ii ALWAYS get out & stick around and watch them do it. If they start making any "mouth noises" along the lines of "you MUST wait in the car", I leave and go elsewhere.

I always use full synthetic oil and I use a WIX filter. I'll bring one along and ensure they use that one, as most places do not carry that brand (also known as NAPA Gold filters)

Every 25,000 km or once a year I flush & fill all differentials, transmissions (and transfer cases in the case of 4X4 vehicles) , also with synthetic.

Likely one of the reasons my vehicles generally last well over 400,000 miles (about 600,000 km) sans any major repairs. I'm too much of a cheapskate to keep replacing cars & trucks!
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:33 AM   #63
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The Ford Truck you WON'T see!

Global Market 2012 Ford Ranger - First Drive - Motor Trend
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Old 02-05-2012, 06:08 AM   #64
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That is a real nice diesel Ranger, now if we can just get the steering wheel location fixed.
I like the spec's.
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Small diesels

Virtually all the manufacturers sell great small diesels in the rest of the world. Maybe the new mileage requirements will get some of those engines to North America.

It would be great for us.
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The devil is in the details...

According to the article, it "has been built to comply with the toughest safety and government standards -- including those in North America. There is no reason it couldn't be sold in North America, other than Ford's unwillingness to do so" and one of the "top engineers" wants to bring his here as a "private import".

Could this be the beginning of a campaign to change Ford's mind????

Yanno us Yanks like nuttin' better than to get something we're not supposed to have.
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Trouble is... When you read the whole article, it is SO close to the F150 in so many ways, that it would not make a lotta sense to try to market both.

OTOH, I have long since lost any interest in trying to figure out the market strategies of any of the so-called "big 3"

So many of their cars are so close together in sizes etc that I cannot see much difference

Maybe if they offered that 5 cyl diseasel in the F150......
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AND there are many other trucks beside the Ranger that have had people standing in line for the privilege of NOT buying them. As a result the ones on this list will be going away.....

Ford Ranger & Mazda B series (Which are the same truck- just "badge engineered)
BMW ActiveHybrid X6
Chevrolet HHR
Honda Element
Mazda Tribute
Mitsubihi Endeavour
Ram Dakota
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Ranger's MPG

Sizes of Ranger and F-150 are perhaps close but MPG isn’t. Combined MPG for Ranger is 28 AUS MPG which is 23.4 US MPG. F 150 delivers between 15 to 19 MPG so let’s say average 17 MPG. So Ranger has 38% better mileage and being diesel it will have better towing MPG as well.

My wife and I test drove Freightliner Sprinter a few days ago and I must say I fell in love with the Mercedes 3l diesel. My wife’s first comment was its too bad that it does not come with diesel, that how quiet it was.

But manufacturers know very that diesels are smelly, are loud, they shake living daylights out of drivers, they failed miserably in seventies GM cars and even my 30 years old daughter remember that well, diesel fuel is 10% more expensive which nulls 40% mpg advantage, and there are many more reason why US customers would never buy a diesel, right?

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George, you are comparing apples with oranges. According to fueleconomy.gov the 2011 Ford Ranger with 4.0L v6 and auto tranny gets 15 mpg city and 20 mpg hwy. My F150 Ecoboost gets 16/22. The F150 is much larger, more comfortable, safer, quieter, has more towing capacity and better resale value.

This is a no-brainer. The diesel Ranger is not available in the U.S. Even if it were, the comfort and safety of the F150 would have kept me from buying a Ranger. I have owned a Ranger and a Mazda B3000. The F150 is a much better truck. I already suffer from tinnitus. I do not want another noisy, bouncy, uncomfortable mini truck.
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