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Old 09-19-2012, 01:15 PM   #15
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According to Rancilio's experience with his TDI, the savings is actually an additional 10-15mpg... and would cover $.40 of additional cost! His post is part-way down.

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LOL hopefully he is putting that money saved away in a special account to cover his legal fees

Edit to add: In fairness to Rancilio they also mentioned in their post that they were dumping stuff out of their trailer as they were surprised at how much it really weighed and in doing so they are IMO acknowledging that having an overweight trailer is not a good situation.
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Old 09-19-2012, 01:23 PM   #16
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LOL hopefully he is putting that money saved away in a special account to cover his legal fees
True! But the comment was about mileage savings!

of course, there's probably more threads on this forum on the subject of tow ratings - than any other subject! my memory says that euro ratings for the Jetta TDI are 3500, and US are 1000? so, since he's traveling here - yes, he may want to slide a few pennies toward the legal fund.
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Old 09-19-2012, 01:27 PM   #17
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I want to know where that 1000lb Scamp is? Bare bones no options maybe?
Bare bones is right! LOL wonder if an axle and tires are options?
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[QUOTE=LukeP;334556my memory says that euro ratings for the Jetta TDI are 3500, and US are 1000?[/QUOTE]

Luke do you also happen to know what all the differences are in regards to what all the parts used in building the Jetta in the Europe vs those sold in the US are? Do you happen to know what the differences are in the hitches used in Europe and the attachments for them are vs those used in North America? and the legal issues behind why the hitches are different? or why different parts may have been used? If you do would you be willing to share with us where that information was obtained? Without the knowing all the differences and the factual reasons why may be likened to comparing apples to oranges.
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Diesel in WI seemed only about $0.15 a gallon more.
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Luke do you also happen to know what all the differences are in regards to what all the parts used in building the Jetta in the Europe vs those sold in the US are? Do you happen to know what the differences are in the hitches used in Europe and the attachments for them are vs those used in North America? and the legal issues behind why the hitches are different? or why different parts may have been used? If you do would you be willing to share with us where that information was obtained? Without the knowing all the differences and the factual reasons why may be likened to comparing apples to oranges.
Nope, I don't have the details. I drive a VW (that I don't tow with!) and have friends who are VW and BMW techs - so I've listened to many a VW / European / German car discussion with people who specialize in this world. I did just search for the tow ratings on a VW forum, my memory was close to what is an apparent consensus. But just because the consensus on a VW forum is that the USA is more litigious and therefore drops ratings on it's vehicles - doesn't mean it holds up in a lawsuit here! Ironically But again, this battle has been waged many times over on this forum, and I tow with an SUV so I don't have much skin in the game! Hence, my original comment was because I remember reading the 35mpg that poster experienced with his TDI (wouldn't that be nice tho?!)
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According to Wikipedia The sixth generation Volkswagen Jetta sold in the USA starting in 2010 "was primarily designed by Volkswagen Mexico under the supervision of Volkswagen Germany and 70% of the parts are designed and manufactured in Mexico."

If you scroll down to the 6th generation on the Wikipedia page you will also find that most of the engines offered in Europe on the Jetta are also different as well.

As I said comparing applies to oranges is probable not a great thing to be doing especially when it comes to safety or legal issues.

I agree 35 mpg would indeed be nice but until they build such a vehicle to meet NA safety & legal standards I will keep towing at 19 mpg.
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i do not know what the torq ratings mean really,,,i do know torq is that force that gets things going. i would think an all electric drive would have a ton more usable torq. but who knows. never buy new technology till they prove it for about ten years,,,otherwise you end up with a chrysler turbo,,,,remember them?
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Luke do you also happen to know what all the differences are in regards to what all the parts used in building the Jetta in the Europe vs those sold in the US are? Do you happen to know what the differences are in the hitches used in Europe and the attachments for them are vs those used in North America? and the legal issues behind why the hitches are different? or why different parts may have been used? If you do would you be willing to share with us where that information was obtained? Without the knowing all the differences and the factual reasons why may be likened to comparing apples to oranges.
More questions?
How does the suspension compare? From what I could gather while in UK the Europeans like a firmer more responsive suspension that Americans. Americans want a softer less jarring suspension. One more apples and oranges comparison.
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Per Car Magazine story located here in regards to the 2011 Jetta "it doesn’t use the full all-singing/all-dancing multi-link rear of the current Euro-spec car. Conversely, when this Jetta does make it to Europe in 2011, it will feature a multi-link rear"

Edit: per this Euro video clip according to VW the only thing the US and Euro version of the Jetta have in common is the chassie. Thus the reason the Euro version costs a lot more.
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Old 09-22-2012, 11:47 PM   #25
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I have both a Ford Fusion Hybrid and a VW Touareg diesel. Obviously I don't tow anything with the Fusion, but Toyota's "hybrid synergy drive" (discussed one one of these forums) sounds like it might work for towing.
I disagree with Tom that nobody knows how to fix hybrids. In my conversations with service people at the two different dealers we've been to for service (it goes in every 10k miles), they clearly had extensive training from Ford. Plus, if the electric system fails completely, you basically have a pretty standard 4-cylinder gas engine with an admittedly strange transmission.
After towing with the VW Touareg, I will never go back to gas. Whether the *non-towing* mileage makes up for the diesel premium depends on where you live--in some places like Seattle, diesel is as much higher than super unleaded as super is above regular. But I've spent time in California where diesel can be as cheap as regular unleaded. I think it depends a lot on local demand and location of refineries.
But the real advantage to towing with the diesel is the torque. It's not really a consideration with the Scamp, but when towing my 32-foot sailboat or a 3500 lb. cargo trailer, the diesel makes a world of difference in power, and gets far better mileage than a gas engine to boot. The diesel fuel economy advantage is even greater when you're towing, because the flat torque curve means you're always in the "sweet spot" instead of running a gas engine at max RPM every time you go up a hill.
Now if only somebody would make a diesel/electric hybrid (that's not a locomotive).
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I have both a Ford Fusion Hybrid and a VW Touareg diesel. Obviously I don't tow anything with the Fusion, but Toyota's "hybrid synergy drive" (discussed one one of these forums) sounds like it might work for towing.
I disagree with Tom that nobody knows how to fix hybrids. In my conversations with service people at the two different dealers we've been to for service (it goes in every 10k miles), they clearly had extensive training from Ford. Plus, if the electric system fails completely, you basically have a pretty standard 4-cylinder gas engine with an admittedly strange transmission.
After towing with the VW Touareg, I will never go back to gas. Whether the *non-towing* mileage makes up for the diesel premium depends on where you live--in some places like Seattle, diesel is as much higher than super unleaded as super is above regular. But I've spent time in California where diesel can be as cheap as regular unleaded. I think it depends a lot on local demand and location of refineries.
But the real advantage to towing with the diesel is the torque. It's not really a consideration with the Scamp, but when towing my 32-foot sailboat or a 3500 lb. cargo trailer, the diesel makes a world of difference in power, and gets far better mileage than a gas engine to boot. The diesel fuel economy advantage is even greater when you're towing, because the flat torque curve means you're always in the "sweet spot" instead of running a gas engine at max RPM every time you go up a hill.
Now if only somebody would make a diesel/electric hybrid (that's not a locomotive).
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Do you have any MPG numbers for towing the cargo trailer with the Touareg? Thanks in advance.
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get the sportwagon tdi. still made in Germany and a 2000 pound limit
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get the sportwagon tdi. still made in Germany and a North American 2000 pound limit or wait for the 2014 Tiguan - redesigned and with TDI
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