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Old 12-14-2015, 08:40 PM   #15
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Hi,

Thanks to all! I think it will be a fine TV for us. I may be a little crazy for searching a 500 mile radius for the right tug for the right price. I could have bought a very nice 4 Runner just 25 miles away.

Patrick, I agree completely that Toyotas are known for their reliability. The 4 Runner was my benchmark for a used TV. I owned a new 1986 Toyota MR2 (my first new car). I drove it for 9 years until our first child was born. I did NOTHING to it other than general maintenance and one water pump. My tug research pointed in the direction of a 4 Runner as the standard for looking at what we wanted to buy. But, there are a ton of folks that think the same way, thus keeping prices very high or when the price was right, the mileage was high. Heck, I looked at a 2010 4 Runner that the dealer was still asking $30,000!

Here comes my justification!!! However, I think the Borrego is a solid choice for a tug. Kia stopped making them after one year because of the poor timing of when it was introduced, not because of it being a bad vehicle. In 2009, the economy was in a shambles, gas was very pricey, and folks were bailing on truck based SUVs and were justifiably buying car-based SUVs. They continued to make the Borrego in other countries even though it was only sold here for one year. It also uses the same engine as the Hyundai Genesis luxury sedan, so there is a track record beyond one year.

We also own a 2008 Kia Rondo (kinda of a 3/4 size minivan). It listed for $24,500, but we bought it brand new in June, 2009 when the economy was in the basement. We bought it new for $16,800!!! It currently has 82,000 miles and has been very dependable. Is it as good as the Toyotas, Hondas, Mazdas, etc. that we have owned? I don't think so. But, it has been good enough. Not quite the precision instrument of our Hondas, but a darn fine vehicle, plus we saved thousands and had a great warranty to back it up. In fact, we still have almost 4 years or 18,000 miles left on the power train warranty on the Rondo.

My experience with the Rondo made me comfortable in considering the Borrego as a legitimate TV. For the same exact price, I could buy an 09 Borrego Limited with 83,500 miles and nearly every option compared to a nicely loaded '06 Toyota 4 Runner with 153,000 miles. Plus, I got a new set of tires on the Borrego. Love the 4 Runner. There are folks putting 300,000 miles on them. I would have considered the 4 Runner more if I knew who put those miles on it. Still, it was solid option. In the end though, I was more than willing to go with the Borrego with almost half the mileage, more options, and the new tires were the icing on the cake!

We shall see!!!

Dean
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Old 12-15-2015, 12:25 PM   #16
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Dean, I'm with you on this one. Combining your target budget, the general reliability of newer vehicles since and especially beyond the 90's, and the fact that Kia tried to get into a crowded market segment for a very large vehicle right when the economy tanked, I expect that it will work out well for you.

Regarding reliability, my 2002 Passat AWD wagon's Consumer Reports reliability rating fell to unacceptable a year or more after I'd bought it, but it had an 'acceptable' service history in my view for the 14 years that I owned it. I happily passed it along to the kids here at 120K miles. In fact, if I had not needed something heavier to tow the Casita I'd have kept driving it until the wheels fell off.

I read up on the Borrego in Wikipedia; Kia continued to produce them for Canadian market. There's also some interesting information regarding talent that Kia drew in from Audi, some awards, etc.

I did see a couple of minor recalls and service bulletins that you should probably follow up on;

Faulty stop lamp switch on the brake pedal (SC098).
Replace the brake pedal mount in some 2008-09 models (SC096).
Replace rear tailgate actuator; intermittent malfunctions (SA002).

Service bulletins
2009 model 3.8-liter engine may need software update to correct hesitation/delay or loss of power during shifting (SA016)
3.8 engine may need revised thermostat housing due to a booming noise around 2,000 RPM (ENG052).

The brake pedal mount sounds a bit exciting, but the rest doesn't look too troubling to me. I expect you've done well.

I sure wish I had your patience in searching for a deal. Once I have done my (generally extensive) research for a major purchase, I tend to go into "ready-fire-aim" mode and choose a unit quickly.
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Old 12-15-2015, 11:03 PM   #17
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Hi Mike,

Thanks for the information regarding the recalls. I will review the CarFax again. Plus, we have a Kia dealership in town, so I can get the local dealership to check out if there are any outstanding recalls.

I actually got to drive it yesterday for the first time since we owned it. Did a quick 80 mile round trip for an appointment. It drives wonderfully for a truck based SUV. Definitely much different than my Honda Fit. Love'em both!

Regarding my "patience", some would see it as Obsessive Compulsive Disorder!!!

My 14 months of RV research led me to our Casita. Then, about 6 weeks of intense TV research. I enjoy the journey. For me, it is great way to decompress after work.

Actually, my RV research was part of my "long-term" plan to buy an RV. Then, I discovered FG rigs and this darn website/forum full of enthusiastic and passionate folks. I caught the fever. Actually, I have heard and read extensively that it is important to just get out there. I believe that is great advice, so we took the plunge.

So, we have the Casita and the Borrego now. The final piece before being road worthy is a brake controller, I believe. Hmmm, maybe I need a brake controller with a Spanish name to go along with the Casita and Borrego!

Thanks,

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Hi Dean! Laura here - congratulations on your new tow vehicle! Looks awesome! Can't wait to meet you and your Laura and do some camping together. Sounds like we are all on the same page and in the same locale! This is great! Congrats to the two of you!!!
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Old 12-20-2015, 08:48 PM   #19
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Hi Laura (and Bill),

Thanks!!! We are so excited. The brake controller will be here in a few days. In theory, we could be hooking up the Borrego and towing the Casita by the end of the year. I am currently studying the ins and outs of weight distrbution hitches.

It is only a matter of time before the four of us cross paths. I hope to go to the Townsend, TN Eggscursion Rally in April as well as the Eggs Ah La Bourbon Rally in Bardstown, KY in early June. Are the two of you going to be at either of these rallies?

Given our Casita is winterized and has the cover on it, I am guessing some of our first "camping" will be in the drive way. We will then venture out to Barren River Lake State Resort Park, Mammoth Cave, Lake Cumberland State Resort Park, etc. By the time we get to mid April, I think we will be ready to hit Townsend for a Rally.

Take care,

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We're gonna have soooo much fun!
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