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Old 02-19-2014, 09:20 PM   #15
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Stevebaz and Eddie,
I really wonder and I go back and forth over getting a truck again. I keep thinking I'm going to miss it...but really hate the cap thing. I have a leer 120 on my s10 and really think they take the beauty out of a truck. As Donna says, YMMV. Geez picking up all kinds of good stuff here! Hey Steve and Eddie, how do you find a truck does without a cap? Do you use a tonneau cover or just put your stuff in Rubbermaid bins? I can attest to needing tons of room having camped with a pop up for five years and the scamp is worse for storage (13 anyway). Aside from the closet mod ill do I can see me needing stow space in my tug. Just don't want the cap thing anymore. How does my idea of Rubbermaid totes sound? I would also need ladder rack for kayaks. This was another reason for going with an SUV because you can have load bearing racks from the factory. Not too common on trucks from what I've seen.

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Old 02-19-2014, 10:29 PM   #16
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I have a 4 door Frontier and we carry a fair amount of stuff in the back seat when camping. I am now using a S-16 but I still have an older 5er for hunting in the barn so the bed is still has the 5er hitch in it and I use Contico plastic heavy duty bins from Lowes which are level with the bed rails for storage. I have roof rails for Yakima Racks but when pulling the S-16 I put on Yakima bed mount racks. They handle the weight of my Nucanoe better than the roof racks.
I have a nice looking fiberglass cap but have not used it with the Scamp 16. When not in the camping mode I install my aluminum work cap with ladder rack. That cap is great since it has side access doors and I can throw the Nucanoe on top if I want to go fishing. But with that cap on the truck it looks like a service truck.
I haul firewood, generators, cans of gas, diesel fuel, LP tanks and sometimes game and I also have to take garbage to the dump (Not all at the same time.) so a SUV won't work for me.
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Old 02-19-2014, 11:52 PM   #17
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I have a fiberglass tonneau cover on my Frontier. Love the way it looks & so far I have only used it none towing and done a few trips to ski races with lots of gear in the box. Works great for that. I have a 16' Scamp and carry most everything inside it when traveling other than my cooler and my golf bags which both will go into the truck bed or the rear of the cab. I use to put bikes and kayaks on the roof of the Subaru. I have found a great option for adding a low profile bike rack mount to the fiberglass tonneau but not sure what I will do when it comes to carrying Kayaks. As much as I like the look of the current tonneau and don't want a cap on the truck I have a hunch I am going to wish it was a one of the hard type flip/fold back types, as taking the fiberglass tonneau off is a bit of a pain.
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:34 AM   #18
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I guess that not everyone is accustomed to camping with a minimum of gear. We have come from a wilderness canoeing background where all your gear and food comes along with you in the canoe, and thus you must pack relatively light. When we take our Escape out on extended trips, I find that there is plenty of room for 4 in the FJ with a canoe or two on the roof, and all of our gear and food stored neatly away and out of site in the trailer. Back of the FJ is relatively empty with only stuff required for current days activities. Now when I compare my situation with 4 of us to a single traveller with a dog in a small SUV and 13'er, to me it is a no brainer that they should not be lacking for space.
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:05 AM   #19
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I guess that not everyone is accustomed to camping with a minimum of gear. We have come from a wilderness canoeing background where all your gear and food comes along with you in the canoe, and thus you must pack relatively light.
LOL well some of us do indeed come from the same background and pack everything needed for actual camping in the trailer.

Its just the extra curricular activities we do while on camping/traveling adventures that get in the way - bikes, golf clubs and kayaks..... hard to downsize them!
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Old 02-20-2014, 01:58 PM   #20
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Here in So Cal when we go camping we have to take our shade with us. So for me carrying a 4 foot long pop-up canopy is common even with the bag awning on the trailer. Not many smaller vehicles can carry this. My Nissan Pathfinder back seat folds flat and can accommodate what I want to carry. My No1 goal with my trailer when traveling is to be able to get in and sleep with minimal hassle. So allot of stuff has to go elsewhere. Everyone's camping experience and desires are different and Yes I carry too much stuff always have and always will. Camping is my Vacation and I take what I need to relax. Other people are fine with a bed roll, a spoon and a can of beans. To each his own. One big difference when camping with a SUVs over an open pick-up truck is, if you boon dock everything in the back of the truck gets dirty and you get really dirty every time you go in your bins to get something. That is not fun. There is also the security issue. You drop off the trailer and go explore or stop in a nice Cafe for lunch and your belongings are open for other people’s enjoyment. Like I said before look seriously at your camping desires before you pick the tug.
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:02 PM   #21
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When towing a 13'er, tug wheelbase really is a non-issue. It does matter when you go to longer trailers, especially those longer than 18' or 20'.

If you are looking for used vehicles, you probably will have to settle for what you can find with a decent price. So that means being flexible, having a list of several acceptable vehicles.

But if shopping for new, and having a dollar limit, you want to concentrate on which vehicles can do the job within your price range. What's your upper limit? The Subaru is one of the better candidates, but there may be some others depending on how high you can go.
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:09 PM   #22
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I like my 2012 Nissan four-door Frontier 4-wheel drive. It is the second truck and the second 13' Scamp. Am very satisfied with the truck. The first one had a 6-speed manual, this one has an auto. Both are great, summer and winter. Am very satisfied with this truck. Get about 20 mpg without trailer, get about 15 mpg with trailer towing about 55-60 mph.
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:23 AM   #23
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I get 15 mpg and have no problems with my 6 Cylinder RAV 4. I use a load equalizer hitch ($189 at Harbor Freight) and the ride is great. I have no problems with hills. I have a three row RAV 4 and the storage space is great.
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Old 02-27-2014, 06:58 AM   #24
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Old 02-27-2014, 08:38 AM   #25
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I have been dragging my 13' Burro around with an 03 manual transmission Forester with zero problems. It's been back and forth over the rockies a couple of times, but not in extraordinarily hot weather so I can't comment on that sort of performance. I'm going to replace it this spring and am aiming for the 4 cylinder Outback which has plenty of capacity for a 13', plus okay fuel efficiency, and pretty good cargo space like Carol said.

The cargo space is big for us because we're bringing along gear for wildlife photography - a couple of heavy camera bags, a couple of big lens cases, monopods, a tripod, etc.
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:11 AM   #26
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I have 2 adults in the front and 2 large dogs in the back of the Ford Escape. A 115lb German Shepherd and a 100lb Briard. I use the travel trailer for any cargo. It weighs 2900lbs empty.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:54 PM   #27
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I have been dragging my 13' Burro around with an 03 manual transmission Forester with zero problems. It's been back and forth over the rockies a couple of times, but not in extraordinarily hot weather so I can't comment on that sort of performance. I'm going to replace it this spring and am aiming for the 4 cylinder Outback which has plenty of capacity for a 13', plus okay fuel efficiency, and pretty good cargo space like Carol said.

The cargo space is big for us because we're bringing along gear for wildlife photography - a couple of heavy camera bags, a couple of big lens cases, monopods, a tripod, etc.
Jen, now that I have switched tow vehicles to a truck & done a few road trips with it, I can say that without a doubt I still feel strongly that the Outback is great tug for a 13 or 14' trailer. Especially in regards to its flexibility and usable dry and secure storage. Way better than my truck with just a fiberglass tonneau cover on the back.

I am/was hoping to avoiding putting a full sized cap on the truck for a couple of reasons - one visibility/blind spots when parking in city parking lots & aesthetics (a girl thing ) Was actually able to put much larger (higher) items in the rear of the Outback and still keep them covered and protected and locked up than i can in the back of the truck. Even able to fit a couple of large dog crates (Labrador retriever size) in the rear area of the Outback - can't fit even one in the truck unless I put a full cap on it.

With the Outback it was far easier (logistically) to carry as well as put up and take down a couple of bikes or kayaks off the top of it than it is with a truck. I often also carry my golf clubs with me along with a bike or two, so just taking the cover off the box and throwing everything in the the back of the box & leaving it open to the elements is not an option. Still actually haven't figured out how I will carry kayaks on the truck without adding ladder racks or a full cap.

Having towed for 6 years with a 4 cylinder Outback a trailer only a few hundred pounds under its 2800lb tow rating over many miles, I have no problems suggesting it would be a great tow vehicle for a 13' or 14' trailer with brakes. The only reason I suggest keeping it to a smaller trailer than what its tow cap suggests it can pull is the Outbacks tongue limit of 200lbs. Pulled my trailer through a lot of terrain - including some major wind storms and it did give a very stable tow. Oh and the 19 mpg & sometimes higher while towing was an added bonus I will miss.

If my future held only a 13' or 14' fiberglass trailer I would buy another Outback to pull it with in a heart beat. But I would go for the turbo model this time rather than the base model for the little bit of extra power I occasionally wished for.

Kind of glad a member of my household needed a vehicle change so the Outback with its fairly low milage was kept as their daily drive & is still available to me when I don't want to have to mess around with figuring out how to carry something that doesn't fit easily onto the truck.

Had I not needed to keep the Outback and been able to trade it in I most defiantly would have gone with another SUV with a bit more tow cap to cover my future trailers needs, (actually the Highlander was on my most wanted list) vs a truck. Without the trade in I sadly couldn't get the back yard money tree to grow enough money to cover the extra cost of the SUV over the truck. I did try and find a lightly used Highlander but unfortunately they are extremely rare, people tend to keep them for a long time.

Edit to add: forgot to mention - as far as winter driving goes Although I have a 4x4 truck and have done a few trips on snowy conditions with the back box jammed full of gear & sand bags over the rear axle, the Outback still wins the prize IMHO for the best to driving in the snow - even with no extra weight in the rear!
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Jen, now that I have switched tow vehicles to a truck & done a few road trips with it, I can say that without a doubt I still feel strongly that the Outback is great tug for a 13 or 14' trailer. Especially in regards to its flexibility and usable dry and secure storage. Way better than my truck with just a fiberglass tonneau cover on the back.
Carol, thanks for this - I have been making mental notes about your reports on moving up from using the outback with your 16' and keeping that in mind and also concluded that it should serve my needs totally fine with the little trailer.

Probably at some point in the next decade or so we might size up to a 15' or 17' kind of deal, but who knows what new stuff might be available by then in the way of better fuel-efficient tugs.
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