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Old 02-16-2016, 12:12 PM   #15
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Thanks Wendy!

I will be solo, and I had originally thought the 13' would be the way to go. But as I've been figuring out what to take and what to store in long-term storage, I realize I might be more comfortable with a little extra room.

There are just so many decisions! I so appreciate your input and I plan to head up to Scamp in April to check out the various trailers and decide what I can or can't do.

Ideally, actually, the 13' with the Outback would be great, but it'll be even a more drastic adjustment.

I plan to choose inexpensive, forestry campgrounds a lot, so their facilities are quite limited. Because of that, I thought I'd prefer to have a small shower/toilet. But I won't be using it when I'm somewhere with facilities of course.

Thanks again, and any other input is welcome!

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Old 02-16-2016, 12:14 PM   #16
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Hello Leslie and welome to the forum Have you met RVSue? If not you should. Having never towed before she bought a Casita and walked off to look for America. Enjoy, Raz

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Old 02-16-2016, 02:59 PM   #17
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Hey all,

I'm going to take early retirement soon, and I'm getting a 16' Scamp or Casita or some other fiberglass RV (I haven't nailed down exactly which way I'm going to go), and I'm trading in my CR-V for a Subaru Outback since it will pull up to 2700 lbs.

My question is, how difficult will the trailer be to pull with the Outback? I'm a novice at pulling, as I've only pulled a trailer a few times, but I'm a quick learner so I'm not too concerned about it. I just want to make it as easy as possible.

What are your thoughts about my plan? Will the Outback pull well? I'll be all across the west from the deserts to the mountains, so I'll be pulling in a variety of conditions.

Any feedback is appreciated!

Thanks!

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We pulled a Scamp 16 and equivalents all over North America 8 years with our 2004 Honda CRV including mountains, deserts and dirt roads.

We had 2400 pounds on the Scamp 16's axle and 200 pounds on the tongue and never had an issue. As I've written many times on the site we had to properly inflate trailer and tow vehicle tires and did a number of small things to ensure a solid tow.

always glad to answer questions.

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Old 02-16-2016, 03:16 PM   #18
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I would say that everybody has thoroughly covered the "Pulling" of a trailer.

Pulling is relatively easy. Stopping on the other hand is a complete different issue. Yes trailer brakes help however you should consider "Pulling" your trailer with a vehicle that is "Larger" than your trailer and capable of STOPPING your trailer WITHOUT trailer brakes. If you tow vehicle is capable of "stopping" with your trailer it is certainly capable of "pulling" your trailer!
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Old 02-16-2016, 03:22 PM   #19
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I wondered about that. The new Outbacks are rated 33 on the highway, and I've averaged 31 with my CR-V (rated at 32) over the past two summers with more than 10K miles. But I know the Outback wouldn't get near that mileage towing.



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Yup the new ones are rated at 33 mpg and my old ones where not rated that high but to be honest I do not think I ever came close to getting the advertised mpgs on any of my Outbacks.

There are a number of less costly smaller tow vehicles than the Highlander that would work.

You need to watch it though as many differ depending of which model/engine you purchase and if its factory tow package or not. Also in recent years most of the auto manufactures started doing an agreed towing test and some may or may not argue it is the reason why some of the smaller SUV's in the last few years have had their towing capacity down graded.

I know a party pulling a 17' Escape with a Toyota Venza (3500b) tow capacity and is happy with it . Also a number of folks here are pulling 16' & 17' with RAV4's & Ford Escapes but again you need to watch which model/engine you look at and the year as they have changed their ratings. The Chev Equinox/GMC Terrain are both 3500lbs I think. Jeep Cherokee & Mazda CX9 might be a couple of others worth looking at.

If your willing to go used to stay in your price point that opens the door up to a number of others options as well - Volvo XC60 or XC70, Acura MDX, Lexus RX350, VW Touareg to name a few. The later one would be my first choose if I were to ever win the Lotto. ;-)
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I would say that everybody has thoroughly covered the "Pulling" of a trailer.

Pulling is relatively easy. Stopping on the other hand is a complete different issue. Yes trailer brakes help however you should consider "Pulling" your trailer with a vehicle that is "Larger" than your trailer and capable of STOPPING your trailer WITHOUT trailer brakes. If you tow vehicle is capable of "stopping" with your trailer it is certainly capable of "pulling" your trailer!
Thats the beauty of the new tow test that all the majority of auto manufactures have been putting their vehicles through in recent years. Part of that test is the ability to stop what they claim it can tow.

Having said that I know when this topic has come up previously that there are some here that assume that because a vehicle is smallish in design it does not weigh as much as another larger vehicle and thus can not be capable of having the same stopping power. That in my experience is an assumption that is incorrect. For example the vehicle the OP originally asked about in many model years weighed close to the same and in a couple of model years actual out weighed a VERY popular mid sized pick up truck that I have never heard anyone question its ability to stop a 16' trailer ;-)
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Yup the new ones are rated at 33 mpg and my old ones where not rated that high but to be honest I do not think I ever came close to getting the advertised mpgs on any of my Outbacks.

There are a number of less costly smaller tow vehicles than the Highlander that would work.

You need to watch it though as many differ depending of which model/engine you purchase and if its factory tow package or not. Also in recent years most of the auto manufactures started doing an agreed towing test and some may or may not argue it is the reason why some of the smaller SUV's in the last few years have had their towing capacity down graded.

I know a party pulling a 17' Escape with a Toyota Venza (3500b) tow capacity and is happy with it . Also a number of folks here are pulling 16' & 17' with RAV4's & Ford Escapes but again you need to watch which model/engine you look at and the year as they have changed their ratings. The Chev Equinox/GMC Terrain are both 3500lbs I think. Jeep Cherokee & Mazda CX9 might be a couple of others worth looking at.

If your willing to go used to stay in your price point that opens the door up to a number of others options as well - Volvo XC60 or XC70, Acura MDX, Lexus RX350, VW Touareg to name a few. The later one would be my first choose if I were to ever win the Lotto. ;-)
We recently looked at a Chevy Equinox and Dodge Journey as a new vehicle for my wife
We were told that the Equinox / Journey had a maximum tow capacity of 1500 lbs. Maybe I will have to check the specs again
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We recently looked at a Chevy Equinox and Dodge Journey as a new vehicle for my wife
We were told that the Equinox / Journey had a maximum tow capacity of 1500 lbs. Maybe I will have to check the specs again
Steve it was my understanding when looking at them that the 4 cyl was only 1500lbs but the optional V6 model was 3500lbs.
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Old 02-16-2016, 05:27 PM   #23
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Every choice has its own pros and cons. Either save gas with limit load and less safe on road or pay more of gas with max load, safer on road not put into account of small towing vehicle ended up working harder and could be result of big bill for repair.... I used to tow my 13footer with a little 4banger Toyota for several years then switch to a Chevy minivan, V6. It turns out the latter was best choice. Pulling 13footer, equipped with its own brake, the minivan wouldn't feel a thing as in my experience. Now I load to the max, even fire-woods in minivan and with 5 bicycles in trailer, cruising hw more easily and...w/o truckers turning their coconuts like when I towed with little Toyota, previously. Just a share-
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Steve it was my understanding when looking at them that the 4 cyl was only 1500lbs but the optional V6 model was 3500lbs.
I was wrong ! A properly equipped Equinox is 3500 lbs and a Journey is 2500 lbs. . The 2 dealers we talked with must have given me the towing specs for the vehicles they had in Stock .I apologize for my error. That being said ,my son owns an Equinox which I have driven on occasion towing his utility trailer. I don't know if I would be comfortable towing 3500 lbs with an Equinox after my experience towing the utility trailer.
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Old 02-16-2016, 06:10 PM   #25
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Perhaps a brake controller and brakes on the trailer?

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Old 02-16-2016, 06:23 PM   #26
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Don't forget the Korean makes as well. Both Hyundai and Kia make models that could make a good tow vehicle for a 16' fiberglass trailer. I believe the Kia Sorrento got pretty high marks in recent CR testing. We've been driving a Hyundai Santa Fe for the past few weeks while our Pilot is in for repair of rear end collision damage. The base 4-banger gets excellent mileage, though I think you'd want the turbo 4 or the V6 for towing.

Speaking of the Pilot, we purchased ours as a low mileage Honda certified used vehicle for thousands less than a new one. It has served us well. A Highlander was also on my short list, but much harder to find used with the tow package and more expensive than a Pilot.

A number of forum members tow with a Ford Escape Ecoboost.

Lots of good options out there.
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Old 02-16-2016, 10:29 PM   #27
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Try to estimate how many miles you think you'll drive when not towing. Towing MPG will be very similar for most of the gas engine powered vehicles you might consider. In other words, if you drive 10,000 miles/year without the trailer and you compare one vehicle @ 33 mpg to another @ (let's say) 24 mpg, that's a difference of just 113 gallons. Even when gas returns to $3.50/gallon, that's only $400 extra. That is a small price to pay for the extra power and towing capability of a somewhat larger vehicle. Some excellent vehicle suggestions have already been made. I'll add the minivan category (Sienna, Odyssey, etc).

Since you're buying something anyway, might as well buy something that has power and tow rating to spare; you'll enjoy the ride much more. And if you ever drive in the Rocky Mountains, you'll really be glad you went bigger.
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Hey all,

I'm going to take early retirement soon, and I'm getting a 16' Scamp or Casita or some other fiberglass RV (I haven't nailed down exactly which way I'm going to go), and I'm trading in my CR-V for a Subaru Outback since it will pull up to 2700 lbs.

My question is, how difficult will the trailer be to pull with the Outback? I'm a novice at pulling, as I've only pulled a trailer a few times, but I'm a quick learner so I'm not too concerned about it. I just want to make it as easy as possible.

What are your thoughts about my plan? Will the Outback pull well? I'll be all across the west from the deserts to the mountains, so I'll be pulling in a variety of conditions.

Any feedback is appreciated!

Thanks!

Leslie

You need to find the trailer you want and the exact model, then figure out the numbers which include GCWR and GVWR, and then get the tow vehicle, not first.
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