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Old 03-30-2016, 12:49 PM   #71
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I still don't see a meaning in summing GVW and tongue weights.
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Old 03-30-2016, 12:57 PM   #72
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I still don't see a meaning in summing GVW and tongue weights.
GVM or curb weight includes the tongue and axle weights.
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Old 03-30-2016, 01:59 PM   #73
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I think that I'm catching on. I missed the meaning of:

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My Legacy Elite II came off the line at 4875 and a tongue weight of 480. ...
I thought that " came off the line at 4875 " meant that the trailer weighs 4,875. Now I understand that that actually means when weighed at the wheels only it weighs 4,875 and to get the actual weight you add the tongue weight.

My hitch is labeled for "max gross trailer weight" and "max tongue weight". I guess I didn't realize that "partial trailer weight" is of interest.

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Old 03-30-2016, 05:44 PM   #74
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No. THe trailer weight and tongue weight are two different things. I just posted the tongue weight for information.

I don't get adding the two together either .


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Old 03-30-2016, 05:54 PM   #75
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No. THe trailer weight and tongue weight are two different things. I just posted the tongue weight for information.

I don't get adding the two together either .


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You certainly didn't. Message #66 ( Oliver-Real Tow Weight ) was what confused me.

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Old 03-30-2016, 06:27 PM   #76
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Yes there's no reason to combine the two. You're confused because they shouldn't be combined.

The trailer weight is the entire weight of the trailer. The tongue weight is just how much of that weight is resting on the hitch of your tow vehicle.

So if you wanted to be more accurate, you could actually subtract tongue weight from trailer weight, if you were looking to see how much weight was on the trailer axle while connected to the tow vehicle. Which is a number that doesn't really do you much good...but it makes more sense than adding the two together.
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Old 03-30-2016, 08:19 PM   #77
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My Legacy Elite II came off the line at 4875 and a tongue weight of 480. I tried a WDH for awhile but it was a pain so I had air bags installed and they do a great job leveling the truck.


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Sorry, I read this as 4875 and 480...
When I weigh my rig I pull on to the scale and record the axle weights then drop the tongue onto the scale platform to get the total weight, subtract the two to see what the tongue weight is.
So 4875 is the total as delivered weight sitting on a scale - got it.
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Old 03-30-2016, 09:23 PM   #78
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Yep. 4875 is on the MSO. Oliver has a tongue weight scale at the factory and I asked them to check it for me. That was prior to filling the Two 30 pound propane tanks so I guess that increases it somewhat, but I carry stuff in the back of the trailer so who knows what it is. The main thing is to keep the truck level for braking and steering which my air bags do quite well.

There is a discussion in progress about the Anderson WDH over on the Oliver forum that may answer some questions.


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Old 03-31-2016, 08:21 AM   #79
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I'd like to check the tongue weight of my Bigfoot. Once I decided I was going to buy a trailer, I installed airbags in my Tacoma. They aren't cheap! When I towed it home, my bags were only inflated to 5lbs, and there was no sag at all in the rear suspension.

It was a quick trip up to Canada to buy it, then dark by the time we finished the deal, then I hurried back. I kept meaning to stop and air up the bags a little but never got around to it, and finally noticed it didn't really look like I needed to...

I mean maybe 5lbs is all it takes, but I kind of feel like if there's that little weight on my tongue, I probably didn't need the airbags. But I should probably also work on getting a little more weight on the tongue.

I think in the long run I'll be happy I installed them, but if I look at from a perspective of money well spent...I could have put that almost $400 to much better use.

Oh well.
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Old 03-31-2016, 09:12 AM   #80
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The best way would be to measure tongue weight with a Sherline Scale

Robot Check

They aren't cheap though, unless you already have access to one.
Otherwise two measurements on a CAT scale and subtraction will get you close.
But maybe you know all that.

Oh, also using a jack and a high range bathroom scale will work. Just make sure the trailer is level.

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I've seen ways to use a regular bathroom scale in which the tongue is placed on the center of a beam with one end supported on the scale and the other on the ground. You then double the reading on the scale (and adjust for the weight of the pieces of wood, I guess).

If that's still too heavy for the scale, move the tongue toward the end of the beam on the ground and use a mathematical proportion to calculate the tongue weight.

Never tried it- my little Scamp can be weighed directly on most bathroom scales.
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I've seen ways to use a regular bathroom scale in which the tongue is placed on the center of a beam with one end supported on the scale and the other on the ground. You then double the reading on the scale (and adjust for the weight of the pieces of wood, I guess).

If that's still too heavy for the scale, move the tongue toward the end of the beam on the ground and use a mathematical proportion to calculate the tongue weight.
Yep, it is easy enough to do if you are careful and have the materials handy .... Some good pictures here:
Measuring trailer tongue weight with a bathroom scale

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Old 04-26-2016, 01:22 AM   #83
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Hey Bob,
I own a 2013 Nissan Xterra Pro 4x4, V6 4L 261HP, 5000 lbs tow capacity.
I want to purchase a 2016 Oliver Elite 18.5ft and travel full time solo for 2 years around the US and Canada to Alaska. Since our vehicle are very similar in specs, would you be comfortable doing it full time?
Also, did you need to install:
Transmission Oil Cooler?
Electric trailer brake controllers?
Stabilizer bar?
Extra leaf spring?
Air Bags?
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You will need a transmission cooler; you will need a brake controller. Upgrading the rear suspension is some way or another is a good idea but probably not necessary; ant-sway is not a bad idea.

I put airbags in my Tacoma. I'm glad I did. They're pricey but I like them. I use an inexpensive ($40) anti-sway bar.
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