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Old 05-08-2012, 12:47 PM   #169
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Mostly they seem to be non-travel trailers and mostly they seem to be towed by rated large tow vehicles. Certainly that deserves mentioning as well.

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Not having read, Most examples from the link Carol provided. The link she did refer to is about a what you might consider a "large Tow vehicle" that was over it's tow capactiy! Now that deserves mentioning!
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:15 PM   #170
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As I said before people do what works. Most try to tilt the odds in favor of success. I think the majority of the RV community does not use their vehicle just for towing so mpg and other factors for everyday use are a heavy influence on what they already have or purchase to tow with.

What I see is the real value in this discussion is not in "defending" our own positions but in sharing what does work and what did you do to tilt the odds in your favor if you pushed the limits. What model of CRV or Jetta is OK for what trailer? What kind of trailer brakes, did sway bars help? How heavy was your trailer? How did you load it? Was it a problem in mountains or hills?

Motivation is generally going to boil down to a choice, of my individual available options which is the option that looks best to me. The conflict is all about attacking or defending that choice. A choice that generally has so many individual factors it can not be debated well on a forum as a general topic.

It is worth noting that no one participating is saying they don't care about safety of themselves or others, or calling people names. They would just make a different choice because..... It's in this because that the reader can learn information which may be of use.

So if I was buying a vehicle what are my options, if I already have a vehicle what are sources that can help me decide how well it will work. All followed by YMMV

I am not happy going over rated capacity mostly due to liability, and having first hand knowledge of how much a transmission rebuild costs. If however someone offers me a super sweet take it with you now deal on a 4000# trailer my wife's escape is gonna get overloaded by 500# and I'm in for a slow drive home at off hours.

Risk is logically factored on 1). How bad is the outcome. 2). How likely is it to happen. 3). How much can I do to reduce 1 & 2.

#1 ranges from killing someone to vehicle damage to spoiled vacation. #2 is where most of the debate takes place (Europe vs US etc.) which has some value but #3 is where I think the real value of this thread lies.

I picked up my scamp with no working running lights at the rear, I ran the flashers which did work for the entire 30 mile drive home. My motivation? Get trailer home, I felt the increased possibility of causing an accident was mitigated by my use of flashers and the short exposure.

#1 did not change, but #3 reduced #2 to an acceptable limit for me. Which I think is what most of the people on the other side of this issue are saying. Acceptable limit is individual. I have heard no one advocate for the absence of a limit on acceptable risk or claiming that those limits don't apply to them because they are "too good" and thus immune to the laws of physics.

So I respect these other opinions. If my wife wanted to trade in the Ford Escape and was looking for a CRV (again, we had one in the 90's) I would be bugging Norm. Before going to the dealership.
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Assume Can AM outfits 250 customers a year, amounting to 10,000 customers (250*40) over their 40 business years, 10,000 is not a trivial number nor is 40 years. Businesses rarely survive that long unless they satisfy their customers.

Is it possible Can AM knows some things that others do not.
LOL Norm IMHO I would suggest it is *Very* possible that CanAm knows something that you and I don't

Think about those numbers. Of the 10,000 customers CanAm has serviced over those 40 years, how many of them are still on the road? As you say CanAm is servicing 250 customers a year and according to a story here well over 400,000 RV's were sold in 2006 alone ( as the story is US based I am assuming that may be in the US only). Could the situation be that as they are servicing such a small % of RV's on the road that what ever they do to the tugs and trailers the odds are on their side that no matter how unhappy a customer may be with them its not going to make the front page of the big daily newspapers? so the average joe isnt going to know or hear about the unhappy customers?

I have to ask what do you have that suggests that Can Am's has never had a customer not found guilty of negligence as a result of their decisions to knowingly modify their tow or trailer to tow outside of the manufactures specs?

There have as I am sure your aware been a number of cases involving airlines where thousands of people use them ever year and are very happy customers and when they paid for their ticket they assumed they were flying in safe hands. Problems with the airlines track record in regards to safe maintenance practices or crewing practices often only comes to light when the airline actually crashes a plane killing a bunch a people. How many times have you heard people say guzzz I use to fly with them all the time and I never would have if I known that! or Why were prior concerns of the transportation safety board inspectors about the practices of that airline not given more press prior to this?

Is it not very possible that CanAm has a very clear waiver on the back of their work orders that will keep them from being named in a case of liability against one of their customers?

Not wishing to argue with you Norm, just asking so I can understand your position for assuming that they &/or their customers have never had any legal problems as a result of their services and that all their customers are happy campers.
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Carol,........Mostly they seem to be non-travel trailers and mostly they seem to be towed by rated large tow vehicles. Certainly that deserves mentioning as well.
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Not having read, Most examples from the link Carol provided. The link she did refer to is about a what you might consider a "large Tow vehicle" that was over it's tow capactiy!
Norm and Robin you both apparently failed to note (read) that I proved the link only in regards to the simple question to ask yourself in regards to legal liability. Not in regards to the content of the whole site.

I am sure you both noticed the question the lawyer suggests you ask yourself does not mention anything about the type or size of trailer being towed in regards to determining liability.

It is always interesting that three people can be given the same information to read and when asked to paraphrase what it said will give totally different responses.

So to allow others here to come away with their own ideas as to what it actually says or means here is the actually text:

"Towing beyond any vehicle's manufacturer's weight ratings-or without regard to the properly-equipped limitations a vehicle's manufacturer places on the towing vehicle-relates directly to the "Law of Negligence", and places you, the driver, bearing the full weight of liability issues.

"A plaintiff who was injured as a result of some negligent conduct on the part of a defendant is entitled to recover compensation for such injury from that defendant," quotes Richard Alexander, a major injury trial attorney in San Jose, California.
"One test that is helpful in determining whether or not a person was negligent is to ask and answer the question whether or not, if a person of ordinary prudence had been in the same situation and possessed of the same knowledge, he or she would have foreseen or anticipated that someone might have been injured by or as a result of his or her action or inaction.

"If the answer to that question is 'yes,' and if the action or inaction reasonably could have been avoided, then not to avoid it would be negligence," warns Alexander. (For more about this subject go to San Jose Personal Injury Lawyer : San Francisco Injury Attorney : Alexander Hawes, LLP.) "
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Norm and Robin you both apparently failed to note (read) that I proved the link only in regards to the simple question to ask yourself in regards to legal liability. Not in regards to the content of the whole site.
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No, Carol I saw and understood what you were refering to, it's just not been one of my arguement behind my reason not to tow inproperly! I only commented because as usual a referance was made that the incident occured with a Big truck, Yeah it did, one that was over tow cap. I got what you were trying to say.
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Assume Can AM outfits 250 customers a year,
Im going to take a guesstamit and say that number is way to low. We got our Infiniti set up this time of the year back in 05 and there was a 3 to 4 week waiting list for hitch installs. They have many bays! Can Am got me in because there was a last minute cancel.
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LOL Norm IMHO I would suggest it is *Very* possible that CanAm knows something that you and I don't
I think Carol has stumbled on the key. The popular MacLean's magazine sums it up nicely......

"RV owners from all over the world seek the expertise of this trailer hitch guru"......

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I think Carol has stumbled on the key. The popular MacLean's magazine sums it up nicely......

"RV owners from all over the world seek the expertise of this trailer hitch guru"......

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MC! I am going to ask you the same question I asked Norm in post #171
On what are you basing your assumption that they &/or their customers have never had any legal problems as a result of their services and that all their customers are happy campers?
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Please

No matter what kind of vehicle you choose to tow with I suggest that everyone interested in towing read the post #77 and post #78 by Andy Thomson of Can AM. It will answer many questions, describes the lack of Can Am customer problems and provides a lot of towing information we should all consider.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...id-3636-6.html

If you read these two short posts I am certain you will come away smarter than when you started. I am also certain that if you are in Ontario you will stop by Can AM RV.

As to liability, one should not live in fear but rather embrace knowledge. Fear often insures failure or minimally under achievement.
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Giggle, grin: Page contains all collective wisdom pertaining to towing overweight and beyond capacity. Error 404: page not exist!

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Giggle, grin: Page contains all collective wisdom pertaining to towing overweight and beyond capacity. Error 404: page not exist!

Not pile on but:
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Sorry folks,

I should have tested it after posting. I was too excited reading his comments and all the posts on the thread. Here it goes again.

Remember Andy's comments are on posts 77 and 78 of the thread.

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LOL glad to see I wasnt the only one who say the humor in it.
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