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Old 07-17-2010, 05:19 PM   #15
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Old 07-17-2010, 09:36 PM   #16
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Some of you guys must never come to Europe, because it would probably disturb you to see the impossible being done every day.

In Britain, the Honda Fit has a manufacturer's tow rating of 2,200 pounds, though the British caravan (trailer) club would say that the sensible tow-er must not exceed 2,000 pounds.....

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Andrew, I agree 100%.
Having spent 8 years in Europe and also owning a "Caravan" over there, it amazes me that the tow ratings on this side of the pond are sometimes drastically different than those on the other side of the pond, even though some of the compared vehicles are virtually identical in build, engine, and transmission.
Although one of my cars is rated to tow 1984 lbs in the UK version, the same mode here is "Not Recommended" for towing so technically I shouldn't haul my lightweight canoe trailer with it (the one I move around by hand quite easily). I think it must have more to do with the more litigious society in the US than actual tow limits.

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Old 07-20-2010, 07:37 PM   #17
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Hi Jennifer, and welcome

I'm going to have to disappoint you on the 1000# capacity tow vehicle. We have been 'round and 'round with other folks who have vehicles with that rating, and no matter how careful or "light" you are, there is just no way to tow any of our 13-footers and stay legal with that set up. We really have turned over every possible stone on this one.

On the other hand, what sort of Volvo do you have? I have a 240 wagon that tows my Boler 13 happily (And is rated for over 3000#)

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PS: Just so you know, the "900#" weights of the older Scamps and etc. were really a bit of a myth. Unless you weigh YOUR trailer at an official scale and come up with a figure, you really can't know, and you're most likely to come up with about 1200# (before you add any gear). Some weigh more.
Hi Jennifer,
I have a 13' Trillium and asked the same question about using my 2.0 L 5 speed Jetta before purchase. I had some 'experts' tell me no way and others telling me they tow their's with a Corolla. I bought my little gem and took it for a spin around NB last week; highway [at] 110 kph, hills, along the coast, dirt roads... I could hardly tell I was pulling anything. Stopping was no problem either.
Last November, I used my Jetta to haul a utility trailer with my V-Star 1100 to Florida and back, over 4,000 miles, with no problem and that rig weighs at least as much as my Trillium.
If you're worried about the HHR, and I wouldn't be, (that's just my opinion), either fix the Volvo or pay someone to haul it for you.
I have 35 years experience in the trucking business and therefore my driving experience and 'feel' for towing may be different than yours'.
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Old 07-20-2010, 09:17 PM   #18
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If your car is rated to tow 'X' (whether or not you agree that it 'can' tow more than that) and you get ino an accident, the insurance company will go by that 'X' amount when verifying if you were within your tow rating. Insurance companies are not known to 'give you the benefit of the doubt'. And if there is another car involved in the accident also, you definitely do not want to be found 'overloaded'.
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Old 07-20-2010, 09:46 PM   #19
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If your car is rated to tow 'X' (whether or not you agree that it 'can' tow more than that) and you get ino an accident, the insurance company will go by that 'X' amount when verifying if you were within your tow rating. Insurance companies are not known to 'give you the benefit of the doubt'. And if there is another car involved in the accident also, you definitely do not want to be found 'overloaded'.
Tow ratings are not necessarily legal limits, many are merely manufacturer's recommendations "as delivered and eqipped".
By adding towing equipment the stock capacity can be increased, for instance....
the addition of electric brake controllers, transmission coolers, and upgraded hitches.
The exact same vehicle without a factory tow package can be safely upgraded to match the tow package vehicle with the addition of the parts contained in the package.
Many TVs are rated at 3500lb but are not factory equipped with brake controllers which are required to meet that standard in most states.
Don't forget that "weight" is not the only limiting factor for tow capacity, other things such as total frontal area,and tongue weight must be considered.
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Old 07-21-2010, 03:49 PM   #20
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it amazes me that the tow ratings on this side of the pond are sometimes drastically different than those on the other side of the pond, even though some of the compared vehicles are virtually identical in build, engine, and transmission.
Yes, there are big differences. But I don't want to suggest that Yurpeen towing ratings can be used in Merka, as the towing practices are different. For example, Yurpeen tow-ers think 4-7% hitch weight is adequate and indeed our higher tow ratings often limit the hitch weight to 4-5% unless you are willing to exceed the manufacturer's hitch weight limit.

To tow safely with these low hitch weights, tow-ers excpect to drive below the speed of other traffic and to pay a lot of attention to any tendency for sway to start. However it is clear that small vehicles can tow quite heavy trailers without (a) the tow vehicle being pulled apart, ( every trip involving a crash, tow vehicles failing mechanically, or (d) plagues of locusts and frogs descending on all trailers.

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Old 07-22-2010, 03:11 AM   #21
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The problem in America is the drivers. I have been passed by persons towing 30 ft or longer RVs and I was going the speed limit. I hardly ever go the speed limit whilst towing my Trillium. I remember seeing a Chevy van being pushed sideways by its trailer and the tires squealing like banshees. Not a pretty sight. He was lucky nothing else happened, roll over or collision.

BTW, we sure do talk a lot about towing on this blog. Maybe there should be a special thread just for it. Well don't that beat all? We are IN a towing etc thread. Carry on Mr Parker.
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Old 07-22-2010, 11:58 AM   #22
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If your car is rated to tow 'X' (whether or not you agree that it 'can' tow more than that) and you get ino an accident, the insurance company will go by that 'X' amount when verifying if you were within your tow rating. Insurance companies are not known to 'give you the benefit of the doubt'. And if there is another car involved in the accident also, you definitely do not want to be found 'overloaded'.
I have never seen this brought up in 6 years of adjusting claims.
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Old 07-22-2010, 08:21 PM   #23
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I have never seen this brought up in 6 years of adjusting claims.
Maybe because you're in Canada, rather on this side of the litigious border?
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Maybe because you're in Canada, rather on this side of the litigious border?

Probably not on the USA side either (I worked 5 years in P&C claims in the USA) since your insurance is a contract between you and the insurer, and they can only exclude coverage based on the contract provisions.
Where it could cause a problem is in a lawsuit where you were grossly negligent and the lawsuit award exceeds your policy's liability limits, which is why I don't ever want to exceed the manufacturers recommendations.

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B4 u ignore any tow ratings, read this experience:

http://www.glamisdunes.com/invision/index....showtopic=24262

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The Pontiac Vibe is actually a Toyota Matrix and is a much better vechicle then the HHR
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B4 u ignore any tow ratings, read this experience:

http://www.glamisdunes.com/invision/index....showtopic=24262

Been reading this exact anecdotal urban legend for years now.
Well fabricated, except it is without date,documentation, or any other form of credibility.
BE WARNED! You out there who believe everything you read.
If you believe that story, think about this poor guy....

Police Constable Abducted by Aliens
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Been reading this exact anecdotal urban legend for years now.
Well fabricated, except it is without date,documentation, or any other form of credibility.
BE WARNED! You out there who believe everything you read.
If you believe that story, think about this poor guy....

Police Constable Abducted by Aliens

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