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Old 01-01-2016, 11:27 PM   #57
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For what it's worth, I dug out the original paperwork from when I purchased my 1999 Ford F250 Superduty SuperCab with the 7.3L PowerStroke diesel engine new back in the Spring of 1999. At the time, opting for the diesel engine cost me an additional $3,681 over the stock V8 gasoline engine. Then I ran it through Kelly Blue Book's on-line older truck value calculator this evening. All else being equal, having the diesel engine adds just over $5,000 value to the truck today. So, in addition to providing better fuel efficiency over the past 16 years, the diesel engine is worth, on paper, about $1,300 more now than what I paid for it back in 1999. So paying more money up front for a diesel engine isn't necessarily just money down the drain come trade-in time as occasional comments in various threads on this forum seem to imply from time to time. Dale
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Old 01-01-2016, 11:43 PM   #58
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For what it's worth, I dug out the original paperwork from when I purchased my 1999 Ford F250 Superduty SuperCab with the 7.3L PowerStroke diesel engine new back in the Spring of 1999. At the time, opting for the diesel engine cost me an additional $3,681 over the stock V8 gasoline engine. Then I ran it through Kelly Blue Book's on-line older truck value calculator this evening. All else being equal, having the diesel engine adds just over $5,000 value to the truck today. So, in addition to providing better fuel efficiency over the past 16 years, the diesel engine is worth, on paper, about $1,300 more now than what I paid for it back in 1999. So paying more money up front for a diesel engine isn't necessarily just money down the drain come trade-in time as occasional comments in various threads on this forum seem to imply from time to time. Dale
Of course that's a real truck with a legendary engine, and thus maybe an exception.
I remember how loudly our Cummins reps whined and cried when their company made them give up their Ford(International) 7.3s, for a fleet of Dodge (Cummins)5.9s.
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Old 01-02-2016, 07:57 AM   #59
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I remember buying our first trailer a 15.5 foot 25 year old, 2200 lb Sunlite for $900.

"I promise honey, we'll only have it for 2 months, just for the trip across Labrador"

Even though it was heavier than the North American tow rating of our Honda CRV, we also knew it wasn't heavier than the European rating. Besides we owned the CRV and we were not about to purchase a new tow vehicle for two months.

We did not think about the Trans Labrador highway's 1000 miles of gravel roads, numerous 10% grades and even a long switch backed 18% grade. We went forward with excitement joking about our new small space, finding that road dust leaks in jalousie windows and gravel peppered the front of our trailer, learning that the true rural nature of Labrador pulled us into the land's mystery.

And of course, little trailers can be pulled by small tow vehicles with ease, that trailers with electric brakes are no burden to the tow vehicle. when stopping, and most importantly people can live in a small space as easy as a large space.

We finished the trip across Labrador in two months, on returned we were still being teased by the relatives, who were sure we were crazy. Ginny and I just smiled at each other with an inner knowledge and refitted the trailer for an 8 month loop of the United States and our loved, but large motorhome.

If we had to buy the supposed 'necessary' big truck or SUV, if we were concerned that our Honda sometimes reved to 4000 RPM, or accepted Honda's degrading of their tow rating for the North American market, we would have never found small trailers.

I'm not opposed in anyway those that 'need' a huge diesel, or can spend $50,000 on a diesel (actually more than the cost of our motorhome). There are other possibilities, actually very satisfactory possibilities.
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For what it's worth, I dug out the original paperwork from when I purchased my 1999 Ford F250 Superduty SuperCab with the 7.3L PowerStroke diesel engine new back in the Spring of 1999. At the time, opting for the diesel engine cost me an additional $3,681 over the stock V8 gasoline engine. Then I ran it through Kelly Blue Book's on-line older truck value calculator this evening. All else being equal, having the diesel engine adds just over $5,000 value to the truck today. So, in addition to providing better fuel efficiency over the past 16 years, the diesel engine is worth, on paper, about $1,300 more now than what I paid for it back in 1999. So paying more money up front for a diesel engine isn't necessarily just money down the drain come trade-in time as occasional comments in various threads on this forum seem to imply from time to time. Dale
Dale,

Be GLAD you have an old 7.3 litre Powerstroke and not a 6.0 or later Powerstroke!

Your fortunes would SIGNIFICANTLY different!

Kelly Blue book doesn't by trucks.

The value of the 7.3 Powerstroke trucks varies significantly based upon condition and mileage of the truck. 7.3 Powerstrokes DO NOT bring anywhere near a $5K premium in the real world at retail on a lot. Try $2K at Manheim on the wholesale market and $3K to a top of $4K and that's only IF it is a NICE truck! Powerstroke Injectors, glow plugs and the wiring harness's that are now 15 years old can and do need replacing and that's EXPENSIVE!

The used prices of used Ford Diesel trucks has dropped. The bright spot in the used diesel truck market for 2000 model and older trucks is the Dodge with a Cummins. Not a very good truck but they sell like hot cakes to the younger men who want them diesel trucks!

My point still goes back to my original post in this thread. VERY FEW BUYER'S will ever drive their diesel truck enough miles to overcome through fuel savings the initial cost of the diesel engine option IF that is your goal of fuel savings. Need of a diesel engine due to use such as pulling a heavy load is a different story where fuel mileage is less of a consideration.
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Yep, and those bluebooks also shred FGRV values. I'd tend to go by what like vehicles are actually selling for....
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Be GLAD you have an old 7.3 litre Powerstroke and not a 6.0 or later Powerstroke!
I had two of the 7.3's, the last being a 2002, the last full year they were installed. I was fortunate to skip the 6.0 generation, which my service guy said caused them lots of problems. The new 6.7L in my 2012 F-350 is a fantastic engine. More power than the 7.3, better fuel economy, and MUCH quieter. All in all, a great engine. I do miss the throatier sound of the 7.3 a bit though.
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I have a buddy whose 6.7 has a blown #6 cylinder at about 190,000 miles. He says he did some reading online and learned that it's a common problem, almost always the #6 piston. The repair estimate is $16K. Ford has redesigned the internals for the 2016 model year, but of course they maintain they didn't have a problem.
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$16K... yikes. Hope that's an anomaly. 16K is almost the purchase price of our 10 year Honda CRV row vehicle.

We had an out of warranty failure of our air conditioning system on the CRV after 60,000 miles, cost $1000. Honda paid the dealer's bill.
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Here is 2008 Dodge Crew Cab 3500HD Laramie Package 4WD Leather Loaded truck I just purchased with a BAD 6.7 Cummins with only 217K miles. The engine has a BAD rod knock. Dixie Diesel here in Tennessee evaluated the truck for the previous owner who is a friend of mine. Engine is bad and needs rebuilt/replaced. Apparently there is an oiling problem with the rods that can cause a rod knock if the truck engine oil is not religiously serviced. This truck was properly serviced with the receipts to prove it from new! $11k for a new engine, $8K-$10K for a rebuild/reman engine. I have found a 28K mile used engine with a 1 year unlimited mileage parts warranty for $5K + $1,200 labor for swap + $300 for fluids, filters and BS. On the short end this will be $6,500-$7K repair if all goes well!

Truck is worth $18K-$20K repaired. My friend the owner wrote a $5K check to sell the truck to me to payoff the loan he had on the truck as he was done with the truck and said that was the BEST $5K he had ever spent. He purchased the truck with 120K miles. He owns a concrete pumping business and on occasion pulled a 1 car trailer. He WAS a Dodge man who now is driving a 2014 Ford crew cab diesel. Truck has 4 new $1200 Hankook tires AND a rebuilt billet upgraded automatic transmission that was replaced last year to the tune of $4,000! So much for service by the manufacturer's book!

I too am taking a chance on this diesel truck. Wish me luck with this adventure as Diesel trucks get EXPENSIVE really fast!
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How did you manage to find the deal on the used engine with 28K miles on it? That's the sort of deal my friend needs.

Even with that, labor will be higher on the Ford. Engine work requires removing the cab from the chassis!
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