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Old 09-09-2013, 01:21 PM   #57
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It looks like Nate's fuel economy secret is knowing exactly what he is doing.
I like it too. Pretty sweet.
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Old 09-09-2013, 02:20 PM   #58
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As has been demonstrated many, many times, the old saw about "Euro" towing standards again rears it's ugly head. But, even if there was some validity to them, I don't see how comparing two 2012 versions connects with a car that's ten years and , I believe, two model generations older and about all thats the same is the "H" logo. But to each their own.....

But still, talk it over with your insurance peeps as well.
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Old 09-09-2013, 02:31 PM   #59
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Regardless of how people feel about towing standards, and there appear to be no standards that I can find, it is interesting to see that at least one person has achieved decent mileage figures.
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Old 09-09-2013, 02:44 PM   #60
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I would guess that one reason they get better gas mileage is the manual transmission. My Honda Pilot tows alright if I put it in D3 but I didn't get a manual transmission and I don't have mpg figures yet because I haven't been on a long enough trip.
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A manual transmission may be better on mpg. Certainly one advantage is the 'heated transmission fluid issue' is eliminated.

The disdvantage of the manual transmission is backing the trailer up hills where one usually slips the clutch, particularly on long uphills with a twist in them. Still our clutch is still working after 200,000 miles though on one occasion I could smell the clutch.
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Once we put the Tundra in "tow" we ignore it when it tells us how many miles per gallon we are getting and just pay attention to it when it tells us how many miles we can go before we run out of gas.
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Pages of testimonials on an Aussie site indicate mid-20s mpg with combination of Honda CRV and 1000-1200Kg trailers--Bailey is one mentioned more than once. The "secret" is not as well-kept in furrin parts! Perhaps more evidence will surface to support the experience and expertise of our esteemed solitaries, Norm and Nate?

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Cyndi,

Knowing the 'number of miles to empty', is a nice statistic. We watch it as well. It's part of the number set from Ultraguage. It's particularly valuable when there are long distances between stations.

On Ultraguage you get to select what's displayed on each of 3 pages and we display that one as one of the six choices along with Instantaneous mpg.
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As has been demonstrated many, many times, the old saw about "Euro" towing standards again rears it's ugly head. But, even if there was some validity to them, I don't see how comparing two 2012 versions connects with a car that's ten years and , I believe, two model generations older and about all thats the same is the "H" logo. But to each their own.....

But still, talk it over with your insurance peeps as well.
Honda Civic Car Info - Car Research - carsales.com.au

That's about the best I can find right now.
The 2012 statement was to give an idea how different tow ratings are elsewhere, because when I started thinking about towing with my car, that info was readily available on the Honda UK site.
But the link above shows the same engine, same HP, (When you calc the KWs out), LIGHTER than my car, and a tow rating of 500 kilos without brakes, or 1200 kilos with brakes. THat's 1100 lbs w/o brakes, and 2640 with brakes! THAT seems insane to even me! I see the UK Caravan club also recommends 85% of TV weight as a general rule, just like Norm/Ginny stated. Don't forget though,
Really though, at least with my car, the limiting factor is tongue weight. I'm too heavy on that, and will work on reducing it. (Like I said, 1" taller hitch ball, may start putting some stuff more in the rear of the trailer to reduce the tongue weight.)

When I talked to my insurance agent about towing a camper, he didn't ask/say anything about limitations.


Anyway, my main reason for posting was to share with others what I was getting for MPG. Didn't think I'd be in the record area! I'm hoping that it wasn't TOO much of a fluke, and will keep track of towing MPG as we continue to use our Casita.

Norm/Ginny, backing up UPHILL around bends sounds interesting! THAT takes real skill! I don't have that kind of backing skill yet, and try to avoid backing if I can. I've been surprised by how little I have to change clutch/throttle "effort" to get the setup rolling with the Casita, though.

Also Norm: You've stated you tow in 4th, doing about 3000ish RPM at the speeds you go? I know you have a gauge/indicator that tells you that should be best MPG....have you ever tried 5th for a while to verify that it's correct? Some of those calculations are based on your own inputs, right? (Engine size, etc?) Have you found the gauge to be accurate? I have a ScanGauge II I use on my Honda Insight while commuting, but didn't even consider trying it on the Civic while towing until now.
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Nate,

The rating for tongue weight for the CRV is 100Kg, 220 lbs. I'm careful to keep it under 220, actually closer to 200. We have a single propane tank and one battery. That makes us light compared to the USA rule of thumb number of 10-15% though not the more typical lower European numbers. We also have more rearward weight than many with 6 extra after axle storage compartments, an over dinette cabinette, and a half full water tank.

We do have an anti sway bar but have towed 1,000s of miles without one and not experienced any sway, having it for the unexpected emergency.

We used to tow in 5th all the time but after I got Ultraguage it seemed we got better mpgs in 4th. It's not to say I don't drive in fifth towing, it's almost second nature for me to shift into fifth and sometimes find myself in fifth.

I find the Ultraguage to be accurate in mpg though all my posted numbers are based upon miles driven and gallons purchased. Early on I tested it and it was right on. I have not done any extended testing but will in the future.

It took us a while to get good at backing up. Still there are occasions where we get askew and I never can figure out what went wrong. In the early days we had a number of occasions where the whole campground came out to watch the show.

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Interesting, thanks!
I'll have to try out the ScanGauge on the Civic next time I tow. I've used it in the past a bit on the Civic, but not a ton to be done to optimize MPG on the highway normally, so it wasn't immensely helpful there with no trailer. But I'm curious if I can figure out the RPM sweet spot for my rig, etc. (Like maybe it's best between 2800 and 3200, and should downshift to 4th to keep in there at slower speeds as opposed to 2400 in 5th or something like that.)

I noticed that, Europeans seem to talk more of 7-10% tongue weight #s? Is that what you've seen as well?

Maybe there's a conversion we missed? Does 10% in Europe = 15% here?

Seriously though, I wonder why it's so different? (Nature of our typical tow vehicles compared to those in Europe?)
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Nate,

The European tongue weights seem to be more in the 7-10% range. As to our number and theirs I have never see any reasoning for either number range.

Our first little trailer was a Sunline and it really had all weight over the axle, bathroom, black tank, grey tank water tank and fridge over the axle. We try to keep the heavy stuff over or near the axle.
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I'm beginning to think that Hondas are particularly good at maintaining fuel economy while towing. Hmm, maybe I should look more closely at the Odyssey.
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There are plenty of people who tow with the Odyssey.

Our original reason for buying Hondas CRV was it's reliability not mpg. Both have turned out to be good.
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