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Old 02-25-2016, 11:51 AM   #43
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Roger, I have a friend who pulls an SOB similar to what you have in the photo who pulled it originally with a Tacoma and switched to the FJ. They indicated they felt FJ's towing stability at freeway speeds and/or windy conditions was an improvement over the Tacoma and where happy with the change. Did not get into the other issues with the FJ they might have had though. There is always going to be a trade off or two. ;-)
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Roger, I have a friend who pulls an SOB similar to what you have in the photo who pulled it originally with a Tacoma and switched to the FJ. They indicated they felt FJ's towing stability at freeway speeds and/or windy conditions was an improvement over the Tacoma and where happy with the change. Did not get into the other issues with the FJ they might have had though. There is always going to be a trade off or two. ;-)
There are a lot of variables that affect towing much more than overhang. First, tires, tire pressure, shocks and springs, and a literal host of other issues need to be looked at first and then which model of Tacoma is important ('04 or older or '05 or newer) and its wheelbase are also significant issues.

My FJ was really an excellent tow vehicle. I really only bought the Anderson WDH because I wanted that little bit of added control because it was such a short wheelbase and a much heavier trailer. Before that combo, I towed my last '03 Scamp 16 for three years behind my '03 Honda Element on a bare ball without issue.

That said, I once towed a Trillium 1500 with my 7500lb Ford Excursion and the Trillium jumped the hitch ball and swung around on just the chains and nearly rolled me in the Excursion. Were it not for the 7500lbs that the Trillium had to try to influence, I'm sure it'd have rolled me. And my other tow vehicle in those days was a '94 4WD Toyota extended-cab Compact Truck.
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:25 PM   #45
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Gasoline under $2 makes it a lot easier to go 4WD.
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Old 02-25-2016, 01:15 PM   #46
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That sounds like a great idea, Tom! If my motorhome had a tag axle I'd even consider that. It'd work a LOT better in the sand!

Or with your 2WD towing a trailer, you can just get stuck any ol' place you park when you least expect it with fewer resources at your disposal than those who choose to have 4WD. Any grassy, soft campsite can turn into a real challenge to get out of with an overnight soaking rain.

All that those of us who are 4WD adherents are trying to do is to help folks learn vicariously from our failures and travails so they won't have to. I'm a slow learner, and I've made just about every mistake that I think there is to make in 4WD and trailering. And of course I was making those mistakes in the '70s and '80s before the internet and there were few good resources from which to learn vicariously.

On the other hand, some folks still choose to learn their lessons first hand and the hard way, and that's entirely up to them.

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I'll just have to rely on my knowledge acquired growing up on a Minnesota farm with 80 acres of slough ground and learning to drive with a 1945 2WD International pickup. However, I may just throw my hand winch in the back for good measure.
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I'll just have to rely on my knowledge acquired growing up on a Minnesota farm with 80 acres of slough ground and learning to drive with a 1945 2WD International pickup. However, I may just throw my hand winch in the back for good measure.
My first car was a '50 Ford F-1 with a granny first too, Tom... and I grew up on pretty poorly maintained roads in NW Iowa in the late '60s and early '70s so I know what you mean.

I've also driven a '90s 2WD Ford Aerostar work van all over the back country and mountains of Northern California doing crime scene and other patrol work for a Sheriff's department, and got it through areas that the other guys in THEIR 4WDs got themselves stuck. I only got that Aerostar stuck once in the eight years I worked there, and that was while fording a stream that was over the rocker panels, and I slowed down just enough to lose momentum on smooth river rock. I had to be pulled out by a Jeep Cherokee on the far bank. I made it back out through that same place just fine though.

You're absolutely correct in that knowing how to navigate difficult terrain is key in driving any kind of vehicle, but I've found over the years that I have to do a lot less work digging myself out of reduced-traction places with 4WD over 2WD. It's not that I go places that are worse, it's just that 4WD is more competent.

And yes, it comes with penalties in weight, gas mileage, and potentially in maintenance (although it's never been for me,) but after owning and driving 4WDs for nearly 40 years, I won't be without it for a tow vehicle. In my world, 4WD just makes life easier.
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Old 02-25-2016, 02:23 PM   #48
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Gasoline under $2 makes it a lot easier to go 4WD.
the OP lives in Canada where we have not seen $2 a gallon gas in many years!

Currently prices are pretty low (by our standards) price for regular at the station near me today is 103.9/litre - average price across the city today is 105.9. Way better than the norm of 135.0/litre or higher of not so many months ago.

3.78541 litres to the US gallon will let you do the math
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Well, Roger if you ever see a guy in his 70s with a Toyota Tundra/Casita stuck somewhere with his spouse of 48 years telling him "I told you so!" I hope that you'll be kind enough to throw him a rope or log chain and forget what he said about 4WD! ;]
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Well, Roger if you ever see a guy in his 70s with a Toyota Tundra/Casita stuck somewhere with his spouse of 48 years telling him "I told you so!" I hope that you'll be kind enough to throw him a rope or log chain and forget what he said about 4WD! ;]
Tom, I've always carried a tow rope with me. A friend of mine with a 3/4 ton four-door Dodge 2WD was carrying over a cord of firewood in his truck when he buried it past the axles in his back yard in SoCal. He didn't know who to call, so he called me as I lived nearby.

I attached the tow line to his front end, dropped my Iron Duke 4cyl '81 Jeep Scrambler in 4Low and walked him AND his firewood out of the quagmire that was his yard. The Jeep never spun a wheel or even stuttered. My buddy couldn't believe that a 4 cylinder Jeep could haul him, his truck AND the firewood out of being buried that deeply.

I'll always help out a fellow camper.
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Old 02-25-2016, 04:10 PM   #51
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So who needs 4WD when Roger is around?
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Uh... who's gonna pull ME out when I do something dumb?

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the OP lives in Canada where we have not seen $2 a gallon gas in many years!

Currently prices are pretty low (by our standards) price for regular at the station near me today is 103.9/litre - average price across the city today is 105.9. Way better than the norm of 135.0/litre or higher of not so many months ago.

3.78541 litres to the US gallon will let you do the math

Wow! It's $.84 a litre here in NS. Still not $2 a gallon though!
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Roger, if you get stuck....it may be time to sell...................?
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Wow! It's $.84 a litre here in NS. Still not $2 a gallon though!
Thats the nice part of living in a part of the country where you don't need rapid transit on every block & a way to pay for it!
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Having had and towed with I would not be without 4x4 or AWD. Never had AWD but know people who do. Personally I would never be without one or the other. There have been situations where I NEEDED 4x4 and times when I just wanted it and used it. I've never seen any significant difference in mileage. Also not enough weight difference in towing capacity that would make a difference to me. Of course you pay more for 4x4 but get part of it back when you sell. Basically comes down to your own personal situation or wants.
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