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Old 11-27-2014, 09:08 PM   #29
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I have been using a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited since May and have logged 13,000 miles. Many (not all) towing, including hauling our Casita 17SD out to the West coast and through many national parks in the western mountains from Omaha, Nebraska.

I wanted to purchase the 5.7L Hemi engine common to many of the RAM pickups assuming I would need the power. At the last minute, I ordered the Pentastar 3.6L V6 version with the 8 speed transmission at the urging of others on this forum. I could not be happier. I get 21-22 MPG in driving at home and easily achieve 18 MPG on trips towing a fully loaded trailer with this SUV. It rides like a dream without any worries about sway or safety at typical highway speeds. I have had no problems at all. I have the full Navigation package and the satellite weather feature has saved our butts already when we came up on severe thunderstorms and tornadoes one evening in Western Nebraska.

With the trail rated package, we were even able to do some day tripping on old mining roads in Utah for additional fun and recreation. Isn't fun what this is all about?
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Old 11-27-2014, 09:45 PM   #30
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I just noticed reading my sons Outback manual that you have to reduce the towing rating by half if you tow up a 5% grade for over 5 minutes.
This is a deal killer for the Outback for me.
My 4 cylinder Outback has the same warning (reduced from 2700 to 1500 in the USA), but only applies if the outside temperature is over 104 degrees. If my trip involves long uphill grades at any temperature I have the option to use my V8 Dakota, so my Outback is only used when I'm towing on fairly flatlands, which has included 100+ temps across the flat part of TX with no overheating problems at all.
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Old 11-28-2014, 08:12 AM   #31
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Actually all of the Jetta / Golf wagons are made in Mexico and the cars are essentially the same as far as mechanical ratings. VW US chooses to not rate any of their passenger cars for towing anything.
In the UK VW would have trouble selling anything that could not tow.
In the US the feeling is that you can't tow with anything but a pickup truck and we buy a lot of them. They are usually driven around unloaded and not towing getting relatively poor mileage and blocking the view of everyone behind.
I think that the IRS helps stabilize the towing package and overall the VW has done a great job for me.
The Diesel torque and 6 speed DSG transmission get the rig going nicely and the hill holder works very well.
Diesel fuel prices offset the $$ per mile somewhat, but currently the equivalent mileage (not towing) would be a gas car the gets a combined average of 26 mpg. But that 26 mpg would probably not have the towing ability of the Diesel. the equivalent cost per mile for a gas car would be 18.5 MPG which is close to what you could do with a fair number of gasoline trucks and SUVs, but I don't know much about which ones I might want.
Currently here gasoline (RUG) is about $2.79 and Diesel is about a buck more at $ 3.79. I don't know how long this pricing structure will last, but it removes some or all of the advantages of the Diesel car or truck depending on the relative mileage of each.
The VW wagon is a great traveling and local machine and has served us well, but there are downsides with maintenance issues and cost of operations.
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Old 11-28-2014, 10:49 AM   #32
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Actually all of the Jetta / Golf wagons are made in Mexico and the cars are essentially the same as far as mechanical ratings. .
Just had a long lunch with a couple of gentlemen who flew down to the LA auto show for the day last week-end to get the first peek at VW's new offerings & to meet with a VW rep in regards to a couple of direct orders from Germany, suspect they would suggest you talk to VW's head office directly on that point


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just noticed reading my sons Outback manual that you have to reduce the towing rating by half if you tow up a 5% grade for over 5 minutes.
This is a deal killer for the Outback for me.

My Outback's manual as Radar1 suggested indicates that warning only applies when towing in temperatures of over 104 degrees. Personally try to avoid towing on long grades in real hot weather regardless of what I am towing with.
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Old 11-28-2014, 12:33 PM   #33
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My Outback's manual as Radar1 suggested indicates that warning only applies when towing in temperatures of over 104 degrees. Personally try to avoid towing on long grades in real hot weather regardless of what I am towing with.
We towed with a small tow vehicle and to avoid temperature problems we would tow before noon and add cooling ability to our vehicle, necessary anyway if you have an automatic. The transmission cooler in our new Odyssey is at least as large as the two radiators that come standard.
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Old 11-28-2014, 12:48 PM   #34
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Diesel fuel prices offset the $$ per mile somewhat, but currently the equivalent mileage (not towing) would be a gas car the gets a combined average of 26 mpg. But that 26 mpg would probably not have the towing ability of the Diesel. the equivalent cost per mile for a gas car would be 18.5 MPG which is close to what you could do with a fair number of gasoline trucks and SUVs, but I don't know much about which ones I might want.
Currently here gasoline (RUG) is about $2.79 and Diesel is about a buck more at $ 3.79. I don't know how long this pricing structure will last, but it removes some or all of the advantages of the Diesel car or truck depending on the relative mileage of each.

The VW wagon is a great traveling and local machine and has served us well, but there are downsides with maintenance issues and cost of operations.
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Our Honda Odyssey is rated for 350/3500 lbs, many people successfully tow large Airstreams over this weight limit. It easily gets a combined mileage of 26 miles per gallon and it's 6 cylinder provides plenty of torque and power while burning regular gasoline.

On the Interstates we have gotten 36 miles per gallon (calculated) on 3 long mainly Interstate trips of 200+ miles. Around town we get 24-26 mpg, here in central FL with less congested roads we average 27 mpg. It accomplishes the high mpg by disabling cylinders varying between 3, 4 and 6 cylinders. In the 3 cylinder mode it displays 50 mpg most of the time. Cylinder switching is totally seamless, it is virtually unfelt, the ECO light being the only indication.

Towing it gets over 19 mpg, averaged over 1500 miles from NH to FL. Speeds varied from 62 mph on the northeast Interstates to 55 mph on state highways.

It has turned out to be a better vehicle than we would have hoped. Besides being a great driving vehicle and very comfortable, it has a huge volume. This week we bought a love seat and a similar sized Quaker style side table, both fit in the back with ease.

Hopefully it will have the traditional Honda reliability. My only concern is the cylinder control system, now about 5 years old in Odysseys.
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My 4 cylinder Outback has the same warning (reduced from 2700 to 1500 in the USA), but only applies if the outside temperature is over 104 degrees.
This is what I really like and appreciate about the off shore auto builder's ratings. They seem to be very accurate even in the fine details regarding hill climbs and temperatures.

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It has turned out to be a better vehicle than we would have hoped. Besides being a great driving vehicle and very comfortable, it has a huge volume. This week we bought a love seat and a similar sized Quaker style side table, both fit in the back with ease.

Hopefully it will have the traditional Honda reliability.
It's all goodness for all of us. The technology just gets better and better.
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This is what I really like and appreciate about the off shore auto builder's ratings. They seem to be very accurate even in the fine details regarding hill climbs and temperatures.
hummm so why not feel the same about their setting of their tow ratings!

After all who knows better than the manufacture as to what components they have or have not put in the models they sell here in NA and what it will and will not stand up to & under what driving conditions
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hummm so why not feel the same about their setting of their tow ratings!

After all who knows better than the manufacture as to what components they have or have not put in the models they sell here in NA and what it will and will not stand up to & under what driving conditions
As Simon and Garfunkal said "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest"
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Old 11-28-2014, 03:16 PM   #38
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We have a 2010 Ford Edge with factory tow package. Rated 3500 lbs. has 6 speed auto with tow mode. We have towed our Scamp 16 through mountains out west and also eastern mountains with no problems and decent fuel mileage. It has plenty of interior room for extra stuff. It is also a very comfortable vehicle to ride in. The V-6 has plenty of power for mountains, passing if you need to. They are not too hard to find used.
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Old 11-28-2014, 04:17 PM   #39
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The Honda Odyssey seems to be a great tow car with 248 hp at 5700 rpm and 250 fr lb torque at 4700 rpm.
The VW has 236 ft lb at 1750 rpm and basically pulls with very high torque from idle up.
The hp rating is only 140 hp at 4000 rpm.
The torque curve is basically flat from 1750 to 4000 rpm and this is what makes it a great tow car.
You cruise at 65 mph at about 2200 rpm with the engine loafing along.
I don't think that at the max grade for an interstate the car will downshift from 6th gear at 62 mph.
This is why over the road trucks are Diesel.
I am relatively sure the current ratio of RUG to diesel will get closer after the current oil glut has been taken care of by the oil companies for their maximum advantage.
I will look into the Odyssey when it is time to replace the Jetta Sportwagen.
We currently have 220,000 miles on it and it is just getting broken in good.
The DSG is an automatic "manual" transmission with two clutches and two gear trains one for the odd gears and one for the even.
There is no troque converter to heat up the oil and no real need for additional transmission cooling. The clutches are wet and cooled with a spray of oil continuously.
Shifting is very fast and smooth, better than almost anyone could shift an manual box.
Starting, even up hill, involves no noticeable clutch slipping since low gear is very low. The combination will pull off uphill at idle speed!
Evidently the 140 hp is adequate since I have had no problems keeping up under any conditions.
Of course the VW expert executives are very smart and capable and have lost close to a billion dollars per year with their management of US operations. Perhaps they should get in line with their own worldwide operations and publish their towing ratings in the US. Perhaps then they would sell more cars! The VWs in the UK are well known and recognized for their towing capability for small caravans.
A little research will quickly locate the information.
I have compared the ETKA part numbers between the US and UK parts and the major difference is the rear springs for towing in Europe. A set of springs for the rear of the Jetta cost me $219 plus freight.
I have extended the tongue of my 16' Scamp to reduce the vertical load to the 165 lbs rating of the VW. I think I am going to put the original springs back in and add air bags to level the car so that the headlight aiming will be correct towing and normal.
A great small efficient tow car and a great traveling machine. It may meet someones needs along with the various Hondas, Subarus, Fords, etc,
I bought the Scamp so that I could tow a small camper for less than I would have to pay in motel rooms. If I used a large tow truck I would spend more on fuel than I would staying in a nice motel for the night!
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JD, I really like the fact that there's a UK web site that compares tow vehicles. Most of the time it does appear that the VW TDI products win out.
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You just take Alfred Latourneur off that bicycle and replace him with Vin "Diesel" then watch your rearview mirrors as he blows by you on a 5% grade!
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Old 11-28-2014, 07:06 PM   #42
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I'm thinking about purchasing a 2009 or newer Chrysler Town and Country with a factory tow package.

The older dodge Chrysler transmissions had plenty of problems which make me nervous spending that much on a newer vehicle.

Are the new ones holding up under towing small trailers?

Anyone have experience towing with them? Mileage?
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