Reese Double Cam Sway Control - Fiberglass RV


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 07-05-2007, 02:46 PM   #1
Member
 
Trailer: Casita 17 ft Spirit Deluxe
Posts: 51
I am considering a Reese Strait Line trunion WDH w/ dual cam sway control and 550 pound spring bars as I downsize from a 1-ton van to a Jeep Cherokee to tow my 3500 pound Casita 17SD (about 425# hitch weight).

Some folks have said that the daul cam needs LOTS more hitch weight to really work, plus they are always going out of adjustment causing bad trailer tracking.

Anyone have any input on these hitches?

Thanks,
Bob
__________________

__________________
bobinyelm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2007, 03:32 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Roger H's Avatar
 
Name: Roger
Trailer: Y2K6 Born Free 32RQ on the Kodiak chassis, 1995 Coachmen 19' B-van and 1996 Precision 21' Sailboat
Iowa
Posts: 5,000
Bob, I've been using them for over twenty years. They're the best sway WDH solution available IMHO. They're reasonably priced, well built, they work well, and they're low maintenance. I don't know what the "out of adjustment" would be. They're self-centering. I think the 550lb bars would be just perfect for your 17.

Roger
__________________

__________________
Roger H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2007, 12:22 AM   #3
Member
 
Trailer: Casita 17 ft Spirit Deluxe
Posts: 51
Quote:
Bob, I've been using them for over twenty years. They're the best sway WDH solution available IMHO. They're reasonably priced, well built, they work well, and they're low maintenance. I don't know what the "out of adjustment" would be. They're self-centering. I think the 550lb bars would be just perfect for your 17.

Roger
Thanks, Roger. I use a Hensley Arrow (which fails the "reasonably priced" test) for my large trailers,

Click image for larger version

Name:	Vand_and_Trailer.jpg
Views:	19
Size:	22.1 KB
ID:	8664

but for Casita Hensley is WAY too heavy (both for Casita AND my Cherokee TV), and have their 2 5/16" ball welded to the hitch assembly anyway.

So you are using the dual cam on a small trailer like we are talking about then, or w/ your Big Foot 25? By extrapolation (if your 25'), I take it you feel the dual cam device would be fine w/ a lighter trailer as well?

As far as "out of adjustment" the fellow claimed that he had to screw with them every trip. Seems to me, once you adjust the length of the threaded rods ONCE, you are DONE.

Thanks,
Bob
__________________
bobinyelm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2007, 07:11 AM   #4
Senior Member
 
Roger H's Avatar
 
Name: Roger
Trailer: Y2K6 Born Free 32RQ on the Kodiak chassis, 1995 Coachmen 19' B-van and 1996 Precision 21' Sailboat
Iowa
Posts: 5,000
Yep, Bob...

The Hensley is a marvelous invention, but it's heavy, complex, and costly. I'm really into simple, (relatively) inexpensive, and lightweight. I used a Dual Cam on my Burro 17' with 600 lb bars (pictured here being set up).


Click image for larger version

Name:	hitch.jpg
Views:	90
Size:	61.1 KB
ID:	8669


I also use it with my 25' Bigfoot with 800 lb bars and the new straight-line dual cam setup. Once they're set up, I've never had to adjust one. I don't know what the deal would be with the guy who is reporting that he has to adjust his all the time.

Roger
__________________
Roger H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2007, 12:56 PM   #5
Member
 
Trailer: Casita 17 ft Spirit Deluxe
Posts: 51
Quote:
Yep, Bob...

The Hensley is a marvelous invention, but it's heavy, complex, and costly. I'm really into simple, (relatively) inexpensive, and lightweight. I used a Dual Cam on my Burro 17' with 600 lb bars (pictured here being set up).

I also use it with my 25' Bigfoot with 800 lb bars and the new straight-line dual cam setup. Once they're set up, I've never had to adjust one. I don't know what the deal would be with the guy who is reporting that he has to adjust his all the time.

Roger
You are RIGHT in spades! I removed the PullRite in favor of the Hensley (for my larger trailers) so I could use a standard 2" receiver for Casita. Unlike the PullRite (also expensive and heavy, but dead simple), Hensley is TOO complicated, and TOO heavy (at least with the PullRite, once it was installed on the TV you didn't have to lift anything heavy).

That's GREAT news that you like the dual cam w/ the Burro because that correlates perfectly w/ my Casita!

No question, I am going with the dual cam and 550 pound bars. Yes, the friction bar is probably adequate, but after alonst 40 years of flying airplanes for a living, I tend to deal in the "what-ifs" more than most, and like the security of that "extra margin of safety" offered by a better low-sway or no-sway hitch.

Heck, if it works well enough, I'll try it w/ the 1000 pound bars off the Hensley on my big trailer behind the van, and if it works well enough, I might save my back and sell the Hensley (which I, myself, bought used).

Frankly I am amazed at how many folks spend big bucks for do-dads and a bit more luxury, but won't ante up for devices which make their lives safer and more stress-free. I put a well-designed hitch in that category.

Thanks,

Bob

BTW, I like the simplicity of the Burro frame compared to the dropped "C" Channel frame of the Casita. MUCH easier to attach hitches and stuff! Attaching the Reese to Casita will be an engineering and welding exercise.
__________________
bobinyelm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2007, 01:06 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
Brian B-P's Avatar
 
Name: Brian
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Alberta
Posts: 5,000
Roger appears to have the [b]Dual-Cam (e.g. Reese part 26000), while Bob refers to "threaded rods", which are part of the [b]Dual-Cam HP design (e.g. Reese part 26002). While the Dual-Cam HP is adjusted with those threads, the Dual-Cam requires adjustment of the position of the U-bolted bracket along the frame... presumably not something that is expected to be changed frequently.

One reason for readjustment might be load changes: if the angle between the tug and trailer changes, the bars will no longer be properly positioned on the cams. How frequent or important this is would presumably depend on they way the trailer and tug are used.

Quote:
Originally posted by Dual-Cam HP (26002) Installation Instructions+-->
Quote:
NOTE: From time to time it may be necessary to use a different chain link to properly level tow vehicle and trailer due to weight changes in tow vehicle or trailer, or trunnion wear. Any time a different link is used, the cam arm must be readjusted. Level tow vehicle per Reese Installation Instructions for Weight Distribution. Recheck alignment periodically. 1 Lock washers may need to be replaced after multiple uses.
<!--QuoteBegin-Dual-Cam (26000) Installation Instructions

[b]NOTE: From time to time it may be necessary to use a different chain link to properly level car and trailer due to weight changes in car or trailer, or trunnion wear. Level car per Reese Installation Instructions for Weight Distribution. Recheck alignment periodically.
__________________
1979 Boler B1700RGH, pulled by 2004 Toyota Sienna LE 2WD
Information is good. Lack of information is not so good, but misinformation is much worse. Check facts, and apply common sense liberally.
STATUS: No longer active in forum.
Brian B-P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2007, 02:44 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
Pete Dumbleton's Avatar
 
Trailer: Scamp
Posts: 3,072
Send a message via Yahoo to Pete Dumbleton
Like Brian, I would suspect that the adjustments are actually regarding tongue weight and weight transfer rather than the dualcam part.

Don't overlook the EqualIZer hitch, as there seem to also be many satisfied users of that one.

BTW, I have never owned/used either the EqualIZer or DualCam systems so cannot comment on my experiences, just a Plain Jane WDH on my old Jayco back when I was almost totally ignorant of WDH stuf.
__________________
Pete Dumbleton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2007, 03:36 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Brian B-P's Avatar
 
Name: Brian
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Alberta
Posts: 5,000
Quote:
Like Brian, I would suspect that the adjustments are actually regarding tongue weight and weight transfer rather than the dualcam part.
Well, I really meant that the adjustments are required due to changes in tongue weight and weight transfer setup... but the Dual-Cam part may itself (as confirmed to the instructions) need to be adjusted as a result.
__________________
1979 Boler B1700RGH, pulled by 2004 Toyota Sienna LE 2WD
Information is good. Lack of information is not so good, but misinformation is much worse. Check facts, and apply common sense liberally.
STATUS: No longer active in forum.
Brian B-P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2007, 04:52 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
V'sGlassSleeper's Avatar
 
Name: Val
Trailer: 1988 Bigfoot Deluxe B19 19 ft / 2007 Nissan Frontier V6 NISMO 4x4
Arizona
Posts: 327
Registry
Ah, all the experts in one spot again... Hi!

More newbie questions from the AZ gals!

We now have our tow vehicle, so are half way there: a 2007 Nissan Frontier Nismo 4 x 4 with 6100 lbs. max tow capacity. He drives like a dream.

What hitch set-up we will need if we go with a used 17-21' Bigfoot TT (just realized that the older model 21 footers are the same width as the 17, so we could fit them in the carport, as long as we can tow them, which we can if we keep the total cargo under 1,000 lbs.) Once we have the tow hitch receiver installed, what exactly do we need to buy to be able to safely (sway-free) tow up to 5,500 lbs. GVWR?

The tow hitch receiver is available for $198 from Nissan, but I am confused about whether or not we really need to buy one of the supplemental parts that Nissan offers--they sell a Nissan "Weight Distributing Ball Mount for Class IV towing" (see website http://www.courtesyparts.com/Merchant2/mer...Category_Code=) which has its own sway bars. But if we buy an Equalizer or the Reese Hitch that you folks are discussing, doesn't that come with its own sway bars... is there some redundancy here?

Also, being a 4 x 4, our truck sits a little higher than the street models would... how does one match the trailer and truck height when hitching?

Thank you!

Val
__________________
V'sGlassSleeper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2007, 06:29 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
Brian B-P's Avatar
 
Name: Brian
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Alberta
Posts: 5,000
Quote:
--they sell a Nissan "Weight Distributing Ball Mount for Class IV towing" (see website http://www.courtesyparts.com/Merchant2/mer...Category_Code=) which has its own sway bars.
The link has one extra character on the end (should not be a closing bracket) - try this instead:
Weight Distributing Ball Mount for Class IV towing
__________________
1979 Boler B1700RGH, pulled by 2004 Toyota Sienna LE 2WD
Information is good. Lack of information is not so good, but misinformation is much worse. Check facts, and apply common sense liberally.
STATUS: No longer active in forum.
Brian B-P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2007, 06:33 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
V'sGlassSleeper's Avatar
 
Name: Val
Trailer: 1988 Bigfoot Deluxe B19 19 ft / 2007 Nissan Frontier V6 NISMO 4x4
Arizona
Posts: 327
Registry
Quote:
The link has one extra character on the end (should not be a closing bracket) - try this instead:
Weight Distributing Ball Mount for Class IV towing
Ooooh, cool Brian...how'd you do that?! Yep, that's the Nissan Ball Mount that I am wondering if we really need. Seems to have parts that would be redundant if we get a Reese or Equalizer wdh/sway control system, but I am too new to know for sure. Anybody have a clue about this?
Val
__________________
V'sGlassSleeper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2007, 06:34 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Brian B-P's Avatar
 
Name: Brian
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Alberta
Posts: 5,000
Quote:
The tow hitch receiver is available for $198 from Nissan, but I am confused about whether or not we really need to buy one of the supplemental parts that Nissan offers--they sell a Nissan "Weight Distributing Ball Mount for Class IV towing" which has its own sway bars. But if we buy an Equalizer or the Reese Hitch that you folks are discussing, doesn't that come with its own sway bars... is there some redundancy here?
Complete redundancy. That "ball mount" is not just a ball mount - it's an entire WD system, just like the Equalizer or Reese. I'd bet it actually is a Reese, Valley, or some other aftermarket brand, distributed through Nissan dealers.

I can't think of any reason to buy specifically the one sold by Nissan dealers. Although it may be a perfectly good choice, there's nothing special about it. If you want to use the Dual-Cam system, for instance, you wouldn't want this one.

The receiver, on the other hand, may be a better fit than otherwise available; certainly, if it really is a Genuine Nissan part, it will at least be suitable.
__________________
1979 Boler B1700RGH, pulled by 2004 Toyota Sienna LE 2WD
Information is good. Lack of information is not so good, but misinformation is much worse. Check facts, and apply common sense liberally.
STATUS: No longer active in forum.
Brian B-P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2007, 08:40 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
Roger H's Avatar
 
Name: Roger
Trailer: Y2K6 Born Free 32RQ on the Kodiak chassis, 1995 Coachmen 19' B-van and 1996 Precision 21' Sailboat
Iowa
Posts: 5,000
Quote:
What hitch set-up we will need if we go with a used 17-21' Bigfoot TT (just realized that the older model 21 footers are the same width as the 17, so we could fit them in the carport, as long as we can tow them, which we can if we keep the total cargo under 1,000 lbs.) Once we have the tow hitch receiver installed, what exactly do we need to buy to be able to safely (sway-free) tow up to 5,500 lbs. GVWR?

which has its own sway bars. But if we buy an Equalizer or the Reese Hitch that you folks are discussing, doesn't that come with its own sway bars... is there some redundancy here?

Thank you!

Val
Val, there is apparently confusion once again about a weight distributing hitch and sway control. They are two separate functions, and a weight distributing hitch doesn't automatically provide sway control by itself. The bars that you see in the Nissan offering are weight distribution bars, not sway control devices. Reese markets the "dual cam" weight distribution system that DOES incorporate sway control using it's weight distribution bars, and Equal-i-zer also provides a sway control weight distribution hitch.

The hitch you have pictured is only a weight distribution hitch. Sway control does not appear to be included in that setup.

Perhaps some photos will help to clarify terms...

Here is the standard Reese weight distributing hitch without sway control (the Nissan hitch will appear similar to this when installed):


Name:   reese_weight_distributing_hitch.jpg
Views: 164
Size:  11.7 KB


This is a standard friction sway control device that would be used for sway control in conjunction with the standard weight distributing hitch:


Name:   friction_sway_control_bar.jpg
Views: 157
Size:  7.3 KB


This is the standard Reese Dual-cam weight distributing hitch/ with sway control. It is the setup I showed on my Burro earlier in the thread. Note the saddle devices that the weight distributing bars ride over rather than just attaching to the snap-up brackets as shown on the standard hitch. Those are the dual-cam sway control gizmos.


Name:   standard_dual_cam_hitch.jpg
Views: 173
Size:  8.0 KB



This is the new version of the Reese Dual Cam weight distributing hitch with sway control, and the one I use with my Bigfoot 25RQ. It has the Dual-Cam hardware found in the Reese Strait-line hitch kit. This hitch is the same as the standard weight distributing hitch, and does the same function as the standard Dual-Cam, but the new Dual-Cam hardware is of a different design, and mounts to the frame of the trailer differently than the standard older Dual-Cam configuration:


Name:   strait_line_dual_cam_hitch.jpg
Views: 168
Size:  10.3 KB


I hope this may clear up some of the confusion for you.

Roger
__________________
Roger H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2007, 08:01 PM   #14
Member
 
Trailer: 86 Burro 17 ft Widebody
Posts: 64
Hello,
A couple of years ago I bought my Reese dual cam WDH set up from FGRV member Darwin M., hi Darwin, and it works great. I had to get some smaller bars (600#) as the 1000 pounders (e-bay) were too heavy. My 17' Burro does not require too much pull on those bars to get the right effect and I do not really need the weight distributing feature. For me, the dual cam was the best option for sway even though I have never had any problem with sway. The friction sway bars should not be used in wet weather and I thought that is the time you would want sway control the most. The trailer tracks perfectly and just locks up straight and is no problem when tight turning is required.
Good luck,
Rick
__________________

__________________
Rick F. D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Reese Pro Series WD hitch with sway control lonlawrence Towing, Hitching, Axles and Running Gear 4 11-17-2008 12:55 PM
About to do a DIY Sway Control install Gina D. Towing, Hitching, Axles and Running Gear 27 07-15-2007 09:48 AM
Sway control Legacy Posts Problem Solving | Owners Helping Owners 4 05-04-2003 08:34 AM
Sway control General Chat 0 12-31-1969 07:00 PM

» Upcoming Events
No events scheduled in
the next 465 days.
» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.