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Old 05-11-2012, 09:18 AM   #15
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Regarding my alternatives: We had a fully computerized bells and whistles minivan and towed it thrice to the dealership for not starting. The third time they started it easily and declared it healthy I declared that henceforth we would have computer free vehicles. So, desirous of doing my part to preserve some of our Canadian automotive history, i bought a 1960 Frontenac with its nine maple leafs which I figured we'd drive year round. The car enthusiasts around here questioned my plan's wisdom so now it is only a summer driver. It wont pull so, reading on this site that the longer the wheelbase the safer the towing, we got Old Smokey, the aforesaid 20 some foot long truck. My wife exercised her veto and now enjoys a nice Toyota sienna. Unfortunately it won't tow. Also unfortunately she likes driving the Frontenac and thinks my sons will too in a few years. So now I have got myself into the predicament of owning: a 1978 17 foot long fiberglass trailer; a 1960 summer only non-towing Frontenac that my wife has declared hers and my sons'; a non-towing Toyota sienna that my wife likes and drives in winters and when the boys' and their friends' hockey gear won't fit in the Frontenac; and Old Smokey which I can't take downtown and park during the winter. So, I figure the Blazer, being a convertible, might be sellable to the powers that be with the benefits of: convertible so fun in the sun, old so computer free and simple and inexpensive to maintain, short enough for me to park downtown in the winter, long enough to tow the Biggar, if four wheel drive less likely to get stuck in the winter and more likely to get my son who fishes to some nice quiet holes. And, most importantly, rather than ending up owning three vehicles, four if I have to buy another one to be able to park downtown during the winter, I could own only the Toyota and the blazer and have all our goals met (assuming I can get them to view a nice blazer as warmly as the Frontenac. As a final bargaining chip if i have to face an argument questioning my patriotism for selling the Frontenac, i'm willing to go so far as to paint the blazer red and white with a maple leaf on the hood.

Now if anyone can direct me to a non-computer vehicle that is longer than the blazer and shorter than a modern suburban (I guess the old suburbans were about 110 wheelbase) and has some feature, such as convertibility, that I might be able to have the powers that be accept in lieu of the Frontenac's maple leafs, I'd be much obliged.
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Old 05-11-2012, 09:36 AM   #16
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In another life, I pulled house trailers around the country. That rule must have not yet been passed, since 80 ft trailers pulled by a 15ft truck was the norm.
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:27 PM   #17
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a non-towing Toyota sienna that my wife likes.
I have never heard of a "non towing" Sienna. They seem to be so popular for towing, even some TT's. Is yours one of those old ones with the mid engine in the floor???
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Old 05-11-2012, 02:54 PM   #18
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It is a 2001. Engine is in front of the windshield and under the hood if that is what you mean. I didn't think any minivan could tow anything larger than one of the shorter fiberglass trailers.

Edit. Just checked Wikipedia and it looks like the mid engine was earlier than ours.
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Old 05-11-2012, 03:13 PM   #19
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It is a 2001. Engine is in front of the windshield and under the hood if that is what you mean. I didn't think any minivan could tow anything larger than one of the shorter fiberglass trailers.
I hear you Cory. I think that is one of the biggest myths going.

Many of our local RV dealers use Mini Vans as test combo's. They set them up as demo's to show how well they work. Near us in Burlington Ruston RV had a 22' Trailite TT set up with a Ford Freestar. We test drove it and it was great. Another dealer not far from us reported setting up over 500 Mini Vans for towing. Most were TT's. They work great when set up appropriately. This was on the cover of RV Lifestyle magazine a few years ago. Of course the latest crop of mini vans are bigger, heavier, and have more HP and better tranny's.

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Old 05-11-2012, 03:50 PM   #20
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Hmmmm. The Toyota pulling the Biggar without damaging the toyota would change the situation.
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:14 PM   #21
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Have your toyota dealer run the vin number and they can tell you exactly what the tow rating is for your van. And if it just needs a thing or two added to bring the rating up, they should be able to tell you that also. It just might do the job.
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I like Mike's idea. Get the bases covered. If you have the V6 220HP is lots of power. The 1,300+ lbs of payload for that vehicle is generous too.
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Old 05-11-2012, 09:34 PM   #23
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Ok. Thanks. Will do.
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Old 05-11-2012, 11:38 PM   #24
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My DD is an '84 3/4 ton Blazer. (M1009)

It'll do just fine with that trailer.

Just plan to be mindful of the wind - it is a very short wheelbase.
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Old 05-12-2012, 10:40 AM   #25
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When I first read the thread title I pictured motor coaches backing their dingy. Reversed wheelbase indeed.
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Old 05-12-2012, 06:09 PM   #26
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Local dealership typed in my vin and said 3,500 lbs max towing capacity and any sort of increasing that would have to be via some aftermarket specialty shop.
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is this based on average weight of a rv? cause otherwise since it doesn't take into consideration the tonage your towing,,,i would just ignore it.
my ford ranger may tow my 13 like a dream...but if that 13 was solid lead ...see what i mean?
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Old 05-19-2012, 01:00 AM   #28
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I don't understand and must be missing something. Seems to me that if the 13' were made of fiberglass and weighed 3000 lbs, then Toyota Canada has said my van could tow it but if the 13' were made of lead and weighed 15,000 lbs, then Toyota Canada has said my van can not tow it.

Also seems to me that if Toyota says 3,500 lbs max, an accident while towing something heavier, particularly in the USA, would give a plaintiff's lawyer extra ammo.
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