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Old 11-15-2014, 07:01 AM   #29
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The 2013 rav's and on are all 4 cylinder 2.5 litre I think 175hp there tow rating is 1500lb. Will they tow more probably,but the problem could be stopping ? The older 2012 and before v-6 models 3.5 litre could tow up to 3500lb .There have been a few snoozy owners having the v-6 rav towing 2500lb snoozy's around they get about 15-16 mpg towing .

We have an overkill vehicle a 07 Sequoia with a 4.7 v-8 with a 6500lb tow rating but only gets 14 mpg towing . I would like to get a 4 cylinder tow vehicle to tow my snoozy but my research is showing no such vehicle ??
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As there are none on the real weights list, how much does a Lil Snoozy weigh? Axle and tongue weights?
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Old 11-15-2014, 09:45 AM   #31
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The 2013 rav's and on are all 4 cylinder 2.5 litre I think 175hp there tow rating is 1500lb. Will they tow more probably,but the problem could be stopping ? The older 2012 and before v-6 models 3.5 litre could tow up to 3500lb .There have been a few snoozy owners having the v-6 rav towing 2500lb snoozy's around they get about 15-16 mpg towing .

We have an overkill vehicle a 07 Sequoia with a 4.7 v-8 with a 6500lb tow rating but only gets 14 mpg towing . I would like to get a 4 cylinder tow vehicle to tow my snoozy but my research is showing no such vehicle ??
I tow a 3010 lb (loaded) Escape 17B with a 2010 RAV4 Sport (V6 + Tow Package). The RAV4 has 101,000 miles on it, 56K towing. 25MPH highway, 15MPG towing. I've been happy with the combination, although I do avoid interstates, and tow at a maximum of 57-60MPH. I've towed both the East & Western mountains; one of the most interesting is going from Red Rock into Ricketts Glen State Park in PA - 2 mile 18% grade.
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I've towed both the East & Western mountains; one of the most interesting is going from Red Rock into Ricketts Glen State Park in PA - 2 mile 18% grade.
Jon.... You didn't happen to see Brit Floyd when they played at Red Rock? I have the DVD of that concert. It is the best music based DVD I own.
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. I would like to get a 4 cylinder tow vehicle to tow my snoozy but my research is showing no such vehicle ??
Jim..... I too have researched a number of 4 cyl vehicles for towing. The one that stands out is the VW Jetta turbo diesel from a few years ago and the current model Passat. Even a properly set up Golf TD has much potential. You will easily get over 30MPG towing a glass egg with one of those 4 cyl TD's.

I have more data and towing test reports. Let me know if you would like more info.

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The 2013 rav's and on are all 4 cylinder 2.5 litre I think 175hp there tow rating is 1500lb. Will they tow more probably,but the problem could be stopping ?
Stopping is not an issue if your trailer has brakes.
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Old 11-15-2014, 03:34 PM   #34
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One state has no stated requirement.
Three states have only a required stopping distance.
Thirty-nine states require brakes at or above 3000# (33 at)
Three states require brakes at 2000#
Three states require brakes at 1500#.
There is presently one (1) state which requires brakes at 1000 #

While it may be laudable to obey the law of the land, it is smarter to learn the laws of physics... Educate yourself and be responsible.
Get brakes when needed and drive safely.

Bondage is doing something because it is required.
Freedom is doing something because it is right.
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Old 11-15-2014, 04:08 PM   #35
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Jon.... You didn't happen to see Brit Floyd when they played at Red Rock? I have the DVD of that concert. It is the best music based DVD I own.
A different Red Rock. I believe there is a requirement that every state has a Red Rock, at least I've found a bunch of them running around the country.

The one is in PA is a small town consisting of a motel & general store at the crossroads of PA 118 & PA 487. PA 487 is the road that goes to the park up the 18% grade. There is a sign at the top of the hill warning trucks:
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One state has no stated requirement.
Three states have only a required stopping distance.
Thirty-nine states require brakes at or above 3000# (33 at)
Three states require brakes at 2000#
Three states require brakes at 1500#.
There is presently one (1) state which requires brakes at 1000 #

While it may be laudable to obey the law of the land, it is smarter to learn the laws of physics... Educate yourself and be responsible.
Get brakes when needed and drive safely.

Bondage is doing something because it is required.
Freedom is doing something because it is right.
Hurray for NY!
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And how is the newbie, without a background in the laws of physics, supposed to know what is right when it come to needing brakes????


The salesman said "You won't even know it's there" and he didn't, as he went through the stop sign at the bottom of the grade and..... film at eleven!


I, and the rest of the Golden State, is happy to go with the 1500 lb figure, and to not allow my life to be put at risk by another's ignorance.


And YES, Hurrah for NY state @ 1000 lbs.
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Stopping is not an issue if your trailer has brakes.
Unless they fail or are improperly adjusted. Ask me how I know.
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And how is the newbie, without a background in the laws of physics, supposed to know what is right when it come to needing brakes????
My good friend and benefactor Andrew Carnegie got me started at about age four and provided most of my education as a child.
Heck, nowadays there are so many sources of information that a newbie with a desire to educate himself can move up the ladder to expert in a reasonable amount of time.
Don't underestimate a newbie...
Who knows ? A newbie might start right out with your advice and, with a little effort be able to think for himself in no time!

To paraphrase Corinthians...
With practice we can be made able ministers of the law(requirements), not of the letter, but of the spirit...the letter kills, but the spirit gives life.
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Old 11-15-2014, 07:33 PM   #40
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One state has no stated requirement.
Three states have only a required stopping distance.
Thirty-nine states require brakes at or above 3000# (33 at)
Three states require brakes at 2000#
Three states require brakes at 1500#.
There is presently one (1) state which requires brakes at 1000 #
In Canada each province also has its own laws regarding when brakes are required on a trailer as well. Most range from trailer weights of 2000lbs to 3000lbs. But may also have another law that states the trailer must have brakes if it exceeds 50% of the tow vehicles GVWR. At least one province is currently looking at dropping that down to 40%.
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Canadian trailer brake requirements are also shown in the AAA link I posted in #37.
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Old 11-16-2014, 02:16 AM   #42
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This is getting a little old, (2004) but illustrates what can happen:

"Well, after almost a year has passed since my buddy lost control of his FS3000 toy hauler being pulled by his F-250 coming down Sierra pass. He had sway bars and bags. The trailer swayed somehow and took over the control of his tow rig. He ended up smashing into another vehicle and the passenger in the other was killed and the driver injured.

The highway patrol cited him for hauling the trailer with a tow vehicle that was not rated for the weights of the trailer even though he was not too loaded up. The injured sued him big time, the insurance company disowned him due to the fact that he was improperly rigged and was "using his vehicle for purposes not intended by the manufacturer" even though they insured both vehicles.

He is awaiting trial for manslaughter, lost a civil suit for 1.2 million dollars, of which he was able to get 300,000 dollars from his insurances company sold his home, toys and vacation property to pay for it.

His wife divorced him and he is probably going to do some time.

Bottom line is the man is broke, lost his wife, affected PERMANENTLY the life of another man, and killed a woman all because he didn't want to spend another few grand for the right sized tow vehicle.

Moral of this lesson: BE WARNED! You idiots out there that know you are over limits or running too small size tow rigs, PRAY you never get in an accident!

If you have any questions about this, I know the whole story and would be happy to share if any of you want to know more."

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