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Old 07-05-2010, 07:05 PM   #1
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We bought a new 13í Scamp and picked it up from the factory last May. I just found out that a 2" receiver is available from the factory for $75. When I reviewed the list of available options, I didnít realize thatís what that was. My big mistake. Now I have to fabricate one.

DOES ANYONE HAVE PICTURES OR ANY INFORMATION OF WHAT A FACTORY SCAMP REAR "BUMPER" RECEIVER HITCH LOOKS LIKE, OR HOW ITíS FABRICATED ?

I saw on this forum a non-factory rear receiver for a Casita. That is helpful. I also saw on this forum a hitch that had a link installed between the actual bike rack and the belly band of the camper to help stabilize the bike rack. This looks like a good idea.

Iím thinking of bolting a receiver tube on the rear Scamp "bumper" with pieces of angle-iron. Then I would add a bolt-on angle-iron cross member about a foot ahead of the rear bumper to support the front of the receiver tube, also attached with angle iron and bolts. If I could find a good welder, Iíll weld instead of nuts and bolts (my welding skills are not good enough yet).

Any thoughts from anyone ? AGAIN, SCAMP FACTORY HITCH PICTURES WOULD BE GREAT !!!
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Old 07-05-2010, 08:52 PM   #2
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If you have a rear bumper, you can get an RV U-bolt-on receiver. I bought a step bumper receiver and bolted it to a secured board (under the back edge of the trailer) on my tear (since it didn't have a bumper). Both would easily be under $50 depending on where you find these to purchase. On-line RV shops or Ebay. I found mine at Harbor Freight.
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Old 07-06-2010, 07:47 AM   #3
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Larry,
If you want to drive 30 miles or so I live just south of the state line .
I have a 2009 16'sd with a rear receiver that you are welcome to look at.

Send me a PM if interested.

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DOES ANYONE HAVE PICTURES OR ANY INFORMATION OF WHAT A FACTORY SCAMP REAR "BUMPER" RECEIVER HITCH LOOKS LIKE, OR HOW IT'S FABRICATED ?
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Old 07-06-2010, 07:33 PM   #4
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Bill,

Thanks for replying, and for inviting me to look at your Scamp. I might take you up on this if I can't find something closer, or if no pictures come my way.
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Old 07-06-2010, 07:40 PM   #5
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If you have a rear bumper, you can get an RV U-bolt-on receiver. I bought a step bumper receiver and bolted it to a secured board (under the back edge of the trailer) on my tear (since it didn't have a bumper). Both would easily be under $50 depending on where you find these to purchase. On-line RV shops or Ebay. I found mine at Harbor Freight.
Karen,

Thanks for reply. The scamp rear bumper is a length of angle iron that's not very heavy gauge, and only partially welded at each end. Attaching only to this bumper would induce alot of torque into the bumper, which would probably result in severe back and forth motion of the bike carrier, and then probably failure of the bumper welds and/or some other catastropic failure.
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Old 07-06-2010, 07:57 PM   #6
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Unless you could put the trailer up on a lift I am not sure how you could get a usable picture.

Of course you could always dig a six foot deep hole and take a picture that way.LOL

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Thanks for replying, and for inviting me to look at your Scamp. I might take you up on this if I can't find something closer, or if no pictures come my way.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:09 PM   #7
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Just another word of caution as well if you are putting a reciever on the rear of a 13' Scamp. Any weight of the hitch and underlying metal will take away from your hitch weight, then when you add bikes or whatever that too will take away from your hitch weight which may result in unacceptable sway. I had put one on my Scamp and had only one bike on the bike rack and it swayed like crazy. My rear reciever is now only used to store the hitch end from my tug while at camp. My bike now goes on a custom made rack between the car and the camper and works great. Again, just a word of caution before making too much of an investment. Happy camping!
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:07 PM   #8
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Larry,

I have a factory installed receiver on the back of my 13 footer.

The factory used a 12 inch piece of receiver. It extends out from the bumper 3 inches and is welded to the bumper. On the other end the receiver is welded to an "L" piece of iron which is welded to a cross bar that was added specifically for the receiver.

I'll try to take some pictures tomorrow for you.
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Old 07-07-2010, 09:34 AM   #9
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I have a factory installed receiver on the back of my 13 footer.

The factory used a 12 inch piece of receiver. It extends out from the bumper 3 inches and is welded to the bumper. On the other end the receiver is welded to an "L" piece of iron which is welded to a cross bar that was added specifically for the receiver.

I'll try to take some pictures tomorrow for you.
THANKS ! This is exactly the type of info I was looking for. It totally confirms what I was planning to do. Can you measure (as best possible) how thick the "L" (angle iron) is (ie 1/8 ", 3/32 " etc). Pictures would be great. Thanks for the response, and for your effort.

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Old 07-07-2010, 09:59 AM   #10
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Thanks for the reply.
Funny you should caution adding weight to the rear resulting in decreased tongue weight. This is one of the effects is was actually wanting to do. Let me explain.

I've read enough info to realize the stated weight of my 13' Scamp, 1000#, is not correct. Using the guidelines that tongue weight should be 10-15 % of the camper, one would expect the tongue weight to be 100-150 #. I asked the Scamp people what my Scamp, with the options I ordered (no front bath, but dual propane tanks), should realistically come in at. They said around 1250#. That would put the tongue weight to be 125-187.5 #. I put the tongue on a bathroom scale (at the correct towing height) and was a little dissapointed to see that it was 215 #. I have yet to weigh the (unloaded) camper. I plan to do this Thursday at a Pilot gas truck stop (cost $7). I'm afraid to find out. Why ? I have a class 1 (1 1/4') hitch rated for 2000# and 200# tongue weight. My tow veichle is rated at 1500#. This is why I chose Scamp over Casita and the others; the supposed light weight that could be "pulled by almost anything". As you can see, I'm on the hairy edge. I hope the actual camper weight is between 1200 and 1300 #, so I could add a little weight to the rear and DECREASE tongue weight and still be under 1500#. Will keep you all posted.

I think many people are being terribly mislead by factory stated camper weights. I've seen 13' Scamps with full baths and all the options advertized as 1000# !!!!!!! I know these are ~1700-1800 # !!!!!!!!!!

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Old 07-07-2010, 11:39 AM   #11
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Larry,

My 13 footer has all the options except the bathroom and it was 1700 lbs. directly off the delivery truck. I now weighs in the neighborhood of 2300 lbs. The bike on the back is now off set by the generator on the tongue.


Back to the receiver. I knew that the factory had added a cross beam to which the receiver is welded and then welded to the bumper. What I didn't realized until I was taking pictures is that the receiver is welded in three spots. The factory added a piece of iron that hangs down on the back side of the bumper, the bumper is "L" shaped so this added piece gives two places to weld at the bumper. Here are the best pictures I could get for you.


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Oh yes, and the "L" 3 x 2 is about 1/2 inch thick by my measurement, more likely 3/8's.
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Old 07-07-2010, 12:11 PM   #12
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Larry,

You have hit on something that drives me nuts Owners (and manufacturers) completely understating camper weights, and/or assuring that it can be "towed with any car." Um... do you know the tow capacity of every car? I don't think so!

I'm really curious about what you will find at the scale, and I'm glad you are going to have your camper weighed. Would be interesting to have it weighed "empty" and then with your typical gear, too - although you could always weigh boxes of your gear separately on a bathroom scale and then add them.

I don't want you to get bad news, but I'm going to be surprised if your Scamp is under 1500# empty of additional gear (beyond the standard equipment provided by Scamp)(pleasantly surprised, in this case).

On the tongue weight: I normally tow a trailer with one propane tank on the tongue, but at one point in time I owned a Trillium 13 that had two propane tanks on the tongue. Big difference in how that felt on my hitch, and I'm pretty sure it was because of higher tongue weight.

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Old 07-07-2010, 03:48 PM   #13
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My 13 footer has all the options except the bathroom and it was 1700 lbs. directly off the delivery truck. I now weighs in the neighborhood of 2300 lbs. The bike on the back is now off set by the generator on the tongue.


Back to the receiver. I knew that the factory had added a cross beam to which the receiver is welded and then welded to the bumper. What I didn't realized until I was taking pictures is that the receiver is welded in three spots. The factory added a piece of iron that hangs down on the back side of the bumper, the bumper is "L" shaped so this added piece gives two places to weld at the bumper. Here are the best pictures I could get for you.


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Oh yes, and the "L" 3 x 2 is about 1/2 inch thick by my measurement, more likely 3/8's.
Thank you very much for the reply, info, and the pictures !!!
Your 13' Scamp weighs 1700# empty and dry, and 2300# loaded !!!!!!
Wow !!!!!!
Is it a delux (ie wood interior) ? That would explain some of it.
Why does it weigh so much ?
If my 13' Scamp weighs that much, I'll probably have to buy a higher capacity tow vehicle.
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Old 07-08-2010, 01:18 AM   #14
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Nope, it's not a Deluxe.

Remember it's got all the options except the bathroom. So it has A/C, furnace, refrigerator, stove sink, front and back overhead cupboards, screen door, overhead fan, gray water tank etc. 1 propane tank and battery.

It's easy to add weight. Just consider the mountain bike on the back with rack is probably 40 lbs and then the generator on the front is another 40/50 lbs. There's 100 lbs.

Pots/Pans, dishes, food, clothing plus TV, undercounter radio/Cd, microwave etc. etc. weighs more than you think. I don't know how much my solar panel weighs but it seems heavy to me and it's stored in the trailer.
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