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Old 05-05-2016, 07:40 PM   #15
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Bikes are the best invention ever invented. Leaving them home is not an option. If your tow vehicle is not marginal, and can handle a little extra tongue weight, Floyd's idea makes sense. Standing the bikes inside the trailer on fork mounts also has pluses, but blocks access to the fridge and everything else in the trailer. I usually have a large ice chest sitting on the floor just ahead of the axle, and another with dry goods (lighter) just behind the axle, so can not have bikes there. Roof rack on the tug works also. Rear bumper is the least desirable due to the weight being far away from the axle, and being in the rear which lightens the tongue. If your load has to be away from the axle, front loading is best. Too much tongue weight does not hurt handling, but can overload a tow vehicle causing sag and affecting headlight aiming. Overload springs could help that. (air bags etc.) Floyd's setup requires some custom fabrication, but probably handles most of the issues if not towing with a super light vehicle.
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Old 05-05-2016, 07:52 PM   #16
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Bikes are the best invention ever invented. Leaving them home is not an option. If your tow vehicle is not marginal, and can handle a little extra tongue weight, Floyd's idea makes sense. Standing the bikes inside the trailer on fork mounts also has pluses, but blocks access to the fridge and everything else in the trailer. I usually have a large ice chest sitting on the floor just ahead of the axle, and another with dry goods (lighter) just behind the axle, so can not have bikes there. Roof rack on the tug works also. Rear bumper is the least desirable due to the weight being far away from the axle, and being in the rear which lightens the tongue. If your load has to be away from the axle, front loading is best. Too much tongue weight does not hurt handling, but can overload a tow vehicle causing sag and affecting headlight aiming. Overload springs could help that. (air bags etc.) Floyd's setup requires some custom fabrication, but probably handles most of the issues if not towing with a super light vehicle.
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VERY well stated! However I think we should clarify that when the tug is front wheel drive, overloading the rear end (tongue weight) can cause loss of drive and steering control. I had that happen once, and that was plenty. Russ mentioned air bags which is one possible solution.

I also thought that leaving my bike behind was an option, and have done just that in the last couple of years, but now I am reconsidering.
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Old 05-05-2016, 08:41 PM   #17
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Leaving bikes is not an option, roof has a canoe on it so I'm going with the bikes inside mounted onto front fork clamps. Will leave enough room to get to the frig and stove so we should be able to make lunch and stretch out on the bunk. The other choice is the same mount on the front bunk, not so sure on the extra tongue weight. I have set up a scale under the tongue and will weigh out each option. Neither are ideal but worth a try, not a lot of expense . What a treat to have this forum, thanks
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Old 05-05-2016, 09:24 PM   #18
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I agree that leaving the bike at home is not an option.
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Old 05-05-2016, 11:40 PM   #19
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VERY well stated! However I think we should clarify that when the tug is front wheel drive, overloading the rear end (tongue weight) can cause loss of drive and steering control. I had that happen once, and that was plenty. Russ mentioned air bags which is one possible solution.

I also thought that leaving my bike behind was an option, and have done just that in the last couple of years, but now I am reconsidering.
Gordon,
I hadn't considered front wheel drive. I can just picture a scamp holding the Siennas front wheels in the air. An amusing image, but terrifying to a driver.
Look ma no steering!
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Old 05-06-2016, 07:02 AM   #20
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I tow with a 2013 VW Jetta Sportwagen TDI front wheel drive and the Scamp doesn't lift the front wheels off the ground.
The engine does produce so much torque that it can spin the front wheels if you use too much throttle.
It will do it without the trailer as well, but with the added weight it's easier to do.
While the hitch weight does shift the weight off the front I doubt it makes much difference in this case.
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Old 05-06-2016, 07:51 AM   #21
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[QUOTE=ruscal;585934... I can just picture a scamp holding the Siennas front wheels in the air. ...[/QUOTE]

Well it is hardly anywhere close to being that bad although as I understand it, Siennas in prior years had a soften rear suspensions. Only one time, on a very steep and twisty road, and in the rain, did I have a moment of front wheel slippage. For the most part it is a very stable tow.

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...The other choice is the same mount on the front bunk, not so sure on the extra tongue weight. I have set up a scale under the tongue and will weigh out each option...
For what it's worth, I have actually had a bit of a problem keeping 10% of the total trailer weight on the tongue. It was 10% to start with but with the propane tank running low, the added memory foam and bed clothes on the rear bed and other things stored in the trailer, the center of gravity has moved back a ways. I do try to keep heavier things loaded toward the front and ahead of the axle but that is not easy to do sometimes.

As long as your tug is comfortable with the tongue weight, I suspect that bikes on front of the trailer might work fine. It would be great if you post your measurements and conclusions.
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Old 05-06-2016, 09:53 AM   #22
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VERY well stated! However I think we should clarify that when the tug is front wheel drive, overloading the rear end (tongue weight) can cause loss of drive and steering control. I had that happen once, and that was plenty. Russ mentioned air bags which is one possible solution.

I also thought that leaving my bike behind was an option, and have done just that in the last couple of years, but now I am reconsidering.
There is also the option of folding bikes.
Of course, overloading anything is a poor idea, but as I said earlier replacing the second propane tank with two bikes adds only a few pounds which can easily be compensated for by proper loading of the trailer.
The front wheel drive issue is largely a canard, overloading the tongue weight on a rear drive will cause the same loss of drive and steering control (though perhaps not traction).
I tow with both front and rear drive vehicles which are properly prepared to tow the same trailer which is also properly loaded.
Actually, a few extra pounds of tongue weight is better than too few for stability in either case as long as within capacity.
I find my front drive Escape to be a very stable and comfortable tow vehicle for my Scamp... bikes and all.
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Old 05-27-2016, 11:01 AM   #23
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Sorry for the time between posts but had to try a few options. 1st I tried putting the bikes in the trailer which I'll try and put pics. This worked better but still a bit of sway I still didn't like the feel so I have added a friction sway bar to the trailer and I'am happy with the results 120km/hr. no sway not that I want to drive that fast. Going on a longer trip next week hope all will go well. Cheers JT
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