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Old 04-22-2003, 05:20 PM   #15
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Bibi,

I know nothing about the Envoy, but I know and trust my friend Suz. That might be a good choice for your tow.

Good luck.
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Old 04-22-2003, 08:38 PM   #16
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Envoy for a 17'

Morgan, I wonder if the tongue weight of the17' would be a problem for it. Especially one with front air. Whaddya think?

Note: they recommend a sway bar for tongue weight of 400 lbs or more and/or a trailer weight of 4,000 lbs.

I'm not sure how it would tow a heavier 17', but the only problem I have with my 16 is keeping my speed down. They recommend driving in 3rd and not using the cruise control.
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Old 04-23-2003, 06:34 AM   #17
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* * * * * * Morgan, I wonder if the tongue weight of the17' would be a problem for it. *Especially one with front air. *Whaddya think?

Note: *they recommend a sway bar for tongue weight of 400 lbs or more and/or a trailer weight of 4,000 lbs. *

I'm not sure how it would tow a heavier 17', but the only problem I have with my 16 is keeping my speed down. *They recommend driving in 3rd and not using the cruise control.
Suz,

I personally would not tow a travel trailer without a sway bar unless my tow was a Freightliner. Are you sure they didn't recommend a weight distribution hitch?

The unladen tongue weight of the Lazy M is 420 lbs. If that exceeds the rating for the hitch on the Envoy, Bibi and Albin would have to look elsewhere for a tow.
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Old 04-23-2003, 08:34 AM   #18
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Mid-size SUVs

Morgan, Envoy doesn't require a WDH, only a anti-sway at 4,000 lbs. I believe that my tongue weight max is 500 lbs, but I might be wrong about that. I'll have to check.

First, let me clarify my recommendation (I should have stated this earlier). I suggest this vehicle only in lieu of similar sized (or smaller vehicles). Personally, if I'm going to pull a heavier trailer, it'll be a larger vehicle....but that's just me. My older 16' Casita weighs a good deal less than the newer ones and especially a 17'.

Although I think the vehicle could handle it fine with the weight, horsepower, size, etc, I'm just a real wimp when it comes to stuff like that and I prefer a much wider margin...but that's just me. Also, I like my tow vehicle to respond when I need it too. If my margins are that close, chances are it may have to think about it for a while before it gets going. No thanks. If I pull onto an expressway, I wanna know I can get on there without some @#&%#@$ whipping around and trying to blow me off the road. Worse yet, be a safety hazard because I cannot maintain a decent speed. Bottom line, I wanna know that my tow vehicle is towing that trailer and not that the trailer is control my tow vehicle.

Note: Sway bars. I don't have one now, but may have one put on as a security blanket.
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Old 04-23-2003, 10:39 PM   #19
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Thank you very much for your reccomendations. I didn't know choosing a good tow car would be that difficult. We will be using this vehicle not just towing for three months out of a year but also is going to be used to travel every single day so the comfort and high MPG rate are very important. We have a 3/4 ton Ford pickup we don't need to buy another one just for towing. Our Dodge Caravan has a 3.0 liter Mitsubishi engine. The MPG rate is 20 to 22 in the city. I agree on Japanese building cost effecient cars. I also agree that the choise of car is also a personal preferance. In any case we will benefit greatly from your comments and suggestions.

Buy the way my husband Albin and I own an RV Park in the Hill Country of Texas. Please visit us at www.pomarosa.com We would love to host one of Casita Club's annual rally. Our high season is in winter so your are welcome on the summer. The homepage is designed by us please don't expect perfection. Let me know what you think about the homepage.

Bibi and Albin :steer [/quote]
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Old 04-24-2003, 01:43 PM   #20
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Bibi - I don't think you are as far off from your decision as you may think. You have decided the major issue. You want a Japanese vehicle. Only thing you need to do now is to look at the tow ratings vs what you are towing. As long as you are about 15% above your trailer weight and your length/width etc is in proportion to what your towing, then you are good to go! See, that's not so hard, is it? ;)
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Old 04-24-2003, 04:26 PM   #21
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Towing weights

The owners manual of your vehicle will tell you what you can tow. Look for your GCWR. That is the maximum weight of your vehicle, passengers, cargo, trailer and trailer contents. It will also give the maximum trailer weight you can tow. Keep in mind that the maximum trailer weight is calculated with one 150lb driver, with an empty vehicle and empty trailer. Everything you add above that is deducted from your maximum trailer weight. Most trailer weights are given before options like fridge, AC's, full propane tanks etc.

For example: The axle ratio in our Aerostar 4.0 liter is 3.27 (stated on the tag on the drivers door) This means we can tow from 0 - 3800 lbs with our GCWR being 7,500 lbs. So our Trillium weighs 1000 lbs (icebox, no AC, no furnace). In it we carry about 300 - 400 lbs of stuff. This is common for most people and includes clothes, dishes, lawnchairs, full propane tank, icebox full of food, basic camping necessities. In the van is probably about 2-300 lbs of gear, kid stuff, a 60 lb canoe on the roof and 2 adults with 3 teens. So assuming each passenger weighs 150 lbs, with all this combined we are only slightly more than 1000 lbs under our GCWR. But then if we take the bikes etc..... it adds up really quickly.

So right now with the number of people and the cargo we carry, our 1000 lb Trillium is about the maximum we would feel comfortable towing and still give us some margin for safety.

Suz , Sorry, I hate to disagree with you but having a tow rateing of 15% above your trailer weight doesn't come close to covering what your actual traveling weight will be.

I guess what I am trying to say is that your trailers empty weight is not the only thing you have to consider in this. Read the owners manual thoroughly.

Another consideration that someone on one of the sites mentioned is: if you are in an accident and the insurance company can prove you were overloaded then you probably will not be covered.

So now that I've totally confused everyone, dinner calls.

Nancy
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Old 04-24-2003, 04:36 PM   #22
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2003 Japanese vehicles rated over 4000 pounds

Several manufacturers offer higher tow ratings for the 2003 models than for previous years.

SUVs
The Isuzu Ascender is the same platform as the extended versions of the Chevy Trailblazer, GMC Envoy or Oldsmobile Bravada. Same tow ratings with a lower price and longer warranty. The smaller Isuzu Axiom is rated for 4,500 pounds if there are electric trailer brakes.

Infinity: QX4

Lexus: RX300, IX470, GX470

Mitusbishi: Montero

Nissan: Pathfinder, Xterra V6

Toyota: Sequoyah, 4Runner, Land Crusier

Trucks

Mazda: B4000

Nissan: Frontier FWD

Toyota: Tundra
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Old 04-24-2003, 05:33 PM   #23
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Nancy:

Does your Trillium really weigh 1,000lbs????

Got a Cat scale certified receipt????

Now I went and spoiled yur dinner.
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Old 04-24-2003, 05:53 PM   #24
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This is where I run into questions that can only be answered by people that did the deed so to speak. I read in my manual my Grand Cherokee streight 6 can pull 5000 lbs. But then I have heard from many , not just a few but several folks that it will do the job, but barely, and has overheating problems., even with the V8...This is where this forum really steps up and helps. Given that I will be towing in the Hill Country, in the summer, and I would bring the kitchen sink from home, except most trailers already have one. I am following advice and looking for a larger SUV like the Tahoe or Expedition. I think before buying a vehicle with the intention of towing you need to hear from some folks that really did just that with exactly the vehicle you are considerating. And add a little common sense to balance the guy that towed 40,000 lbs with his Jetta across the Andes.
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Old 04-24-2003, 06:13 PM   #25
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Hi PineConeDon
No we haven't had it weighed, but the sticker says 935 lbs. So I say 1000, no furnace, icebox weighs about 10 lbs. I include the propane tank, spare and battery in the 300-400 lbs of stuff we add to the trailer.

So 1000 lbs is probably really close.
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Old 04-24-2003, 08:00 PM   #26
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Well Folks, I am working up a solution to the tow vehicle delimma.
I spent the day talking to and visiting Chev,GMC,Ford,Dodge, Jeep, and Toyota Dealers.Spent last nite on the web doing my homework.
The answer, well the Dodge sales man told me the Durango would pull easily 10 to 12 thousland lbs. after I pulled out my printouts he said the manufacturer was being very conservative. I left after that . The others were at least honest as to the printed capacities, and looked them up.
From the print outs the Ford Expedition hauls a lot more (8600) lbs compared to Tahoe(7400) And the Yukon states (8600)
But the solution I have devised is to start looking for an Egg now. I can pull it with the Grand Cherokee I have for the summer, feeling, and watching it. I will also try out pulling it with an Expedition a friend owns.
By the end of the summer I will know which way to jump.
I think the convincing factor was all the sales people telling me I needed to hurry before all the incentive financing and good prices went away. It made me work hard for an alternative solution.
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Old 04-25-2003, 04:55 PM   #27
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Well Folks, I am working up a solution to the tow vehicle delimma..
The answer, well the Dodge sales man told me the Durango would pull easily 10 to 12 thousland lbs. after I pulled out my printouts he said the manufacturer was being very conservative. I left after that . .
Hi Charles, I talked to one of my sons that works in service at a Chrysler dealership and he also told me that the tow on a Durango is high but he said that the salesperson probably quoted you the Gross Combination Vehicle Weight Rating and not the Gross Trailer Weight Rating that you actually wanted to know...I`ll get him to bring me a brochure on it...Benny
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Old 04-25-2003, 07:34 PM   #28
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Benny:
Thanks, I looked on the internet before going there, Dodge states 6400 lbs even with the 5.8 engine.
I have been in one form or another of sales or sales training for many years. This sales man was simply telling untruths to try to make a sale.
I expect he did not know the answers and when caught out tried to cover his A%$ . Who knows maybe he has 10 starving kids at home to feed. I made no waves for him I simply left. And after being at over 6 dealers in one day one slightly stupid sales man more or less isn't going to bother me that much. The first thing I try to tell anyone selling for me is the simple expression "I don't know , let me find out" It saves much aggrivation and lowers the lawsuit potential.
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