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Old 04-06-2003, 10:41 AM   #15
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Whenever we've encountered Semi's, it behaves wonderfully. We've taken it out to the local community college parking lot on a Saturday and "panic" stopped it. The need for a sway bar is there.
I would love to have seen that. panic stopping with a trailer. we should all do that. (but I'm afraidy cat)
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Old 04-07-2003, 08:03 PM   #16
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getting stoped

Actually sometines the towing is not the major problem but stopping is. Myself I have a standard transmission and will stay with it. It allows me to down shift and stay off the service brakes. If you are on a grade and heat up or smoke your brakes your going to find out what a run away ramp is all about. Myself I would rather not find out.

What I am trying to get at here is they just because a vehicle is small does not make it an economical tow vehicle. My truck gets better mpg towing than some of these mid size suv's and trucks get. That diesel will also last 400,000 to 500,000 miles on the same engine. With what vehicles cost today well for me anyway I am going to drive them until they take their last gasping, choking dying breath and that is going to be somewhere over 400,000 miles. Hehe
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Old 04-07-2003, 08:55 PM   #17
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For jim Lacky; I was wondering if your trailer has electric brakes on it? And also if not what was the outcome of the panic stops without electric brakes. Thanks, Dan M.
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Old 04-07-2003, 11:54 PM   #18
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For jim Lacky; I was wondering if your trailer has electric brakes on it? And also if not what was the outcome of the panic stops without electric brakes. Thanks, Dan M.
Dan,

We did have electric trailer brakes (Activator II). I got 'em dialed in, got her up to 20mph, then hit the brakes hard. The trailer brakes locked up but not the trucks. When we came to a stop, the Casita was a little askew. That is, not in line with the truck. Did a bit more fine tuning to the brake controller and repeated the stop at 40 mph. Everything behaved beautifully, but the experience at 20 mph convinced me a sway bar is necessary for the Tacoma.

Prior to this little test session, I met with Campus Security and told them I wouldn't go any faster than 40 mph in their parking lot. I kept my word so I wasn't able to conduct a "real world" test. That's ok though. I learned a lot about my truck/trailer combo without having to press my luck or having to find out about it under less than ideal conditions.

Hope this helps somehow.

Oh yea, the tires were pretty flat spotted, but they were 2 year old Carlisle's and needed to be replaced anyway.

Jim
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Old 04-09-2003, 02:10 AM   #19
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26'ft long trailer...small trucks...

:o Did I bite off more than I can chew. I bought a 26 ft long trailer today. Dry Weight of 3400lbs. Max GVWR 49000. Fleetwood Prowler Lynx 725H 2002. The weight meets my 2002 Toyota Tacoma's limit of 5000lbs. I have a 4door V6 Tacoma Supercharged with 275 hp and 265 ft/lbs of torque. I have a trans cooler, temp guage, Weight dist. hitch, sway control, and Prodigy brake control. Can my truck tow this trailer safely? Any advice? I read a formula based on my trucks wheelbase. Per the formula, I can tow a 23 footer. I have enought Horses and torque. I've towed it up hills no problem. Is the trailer length really a big deal?:o
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Old 04-09-2003, 02:22 AM   #20
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Hi E.Sanchez
Talking about lenght . Well most of us here have 17ft or less.The majority are made of fiberglass.I and others here had bigger rigs before moving to the smaller units.If your Vehical information sheet is right you shjould be ok.With the smaller units you can park almost any place, but sometimes with the bigger units you may run into a problem.I hope I have been of some help.Others will jump in here with there thoughts

PS--------Welcome to FIBERGLASSRV :wave
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Old 04-12-2003, 07:25 PM   #21
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Towing with my S10

Hi guys. I am going to look at a 1977 Trillium 4500 tomorrow. It's the 15 footer. I would be using my 89 4.3 S10 to tow it. In 16 years of driving I have never towed a trailer. The truck has a bumper hitch rated at 2000lbs. I found a copy of the trillium brochure which lists the trailer weight at 1200lbs. What else do I need to tow? Do these trailers have brakes? Should I have a stabilizer bar? Also, should I carry extra weight in the box of the truck for stability?
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Old 04-12-2003, 08:35 PM   #22
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small trucks

I have only driven a Tundra and it seemed to be a nice truck. I know someone who tows a Casita with a Tundra no problem. As mentioned it is 17' big time difference to 26'.

Here is my take on it. Your really going to know that trailer is back there for sure. That wheelbase to trailer lenght ratio in my opinion is pretty close to some real world facts. Short wheelbase vehicles will not tow as well as longer wheelbase vehicles.

Where I think you will run into problems is stopping. Especially if you have a trailer brake failure. Just remember if your going down hill and you have to really stay on the service brakes they get hot. Get them to hot and you have no brakes then thing get messy from that point.

One other issue and I might be wrong on this but I belive the Tacoma is smaller than the Tundra? If it realy is just a 1/4 ton truck I think 5,000 tow rating might be more wishful thinking than anything else.

Either way your going to find out. Good luck be careful and test drive that rig before you have to hit any long mountain grades.
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Old 04-13-2003, 07:54 AM   #23
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Hi guys. I am going to look at a 1977 Trillium 4500 tomorrow. It's the 15 footer. I would be using my 89 4.3 S10 to tow it. In 16 years of driving I have never towed a trailer. The truck has a bumper hitch rated at 2000lbs. I found a copy of the trillium brochure which lists the trailer weight at 1200lbs. What else do I need to tow? Do these trailers have brakes? Should I have a stabilizer bar? Also, should I carry extra weight in the box of the truck for stability?
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Hi Todd, lucky find there. a 4500 pretty cool. have you tried doing a search for S10? I honestly can't remember if anyone here pulls with a S10 or not.
BUT going on my experience. it has more powere then my Escape so that should work. I think a S10 is as big or bigger then mine, so that's good. I pull a 14 so your only up a ft. I can pull up to a 16.
The potentioal problem is going to be the hitch. that is pushing the limit. just to pick it up it will work, but after you load the TT down, your going to be over, I bet. I have a tow pkg on mine that gives me a 3500 hitch and an extra fan. I think its on or in the trans, but your guess is as good as mine.:wak. you can add a fan, and add a stronger hitch.
Now what have I forgotten?? :conf
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Old 04-13-2003, 09:28 AM   #24
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We tow with a Jetta TDI

Hello Dan...just a note...I saw an article on the Bolerama site that talked of towing a Boler with a 1976 Chevette..over 600 miles...we tow our Trillium with a 2001 Jetta TDI without a problem...remember the ads show these little eggs being towed by Vegas and Bugs..
So..as my dad says.."don't drive like an idiot and you'll be fine"

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Old 04-13-2003, 11:59 AM   #25
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TDI

That TDI is a really nice car. I had a VW Jetta diesel and put 315,000 one it until someone I loaned it to wrecked it.

Does your TDI have a manual transmission? What kind of mgp does the TDI get? It is my understanding that Banks makes a kit for this car as well, not sure of this one?

I do know that VW plans of offering the diesel in the new SUV they will bring out. From all reports that is going to be one very nice SUV, some are saying it will be best in class.

What is the tow rating of the TDI? Did you have any problems putting a hitch on it? Thanks Stephen
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Old 05-02-2003, 01:33 AM   #26
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New Version of 2004 S-10

Is called the Chevy Colorado/ GMC Canyon / Isuzu D-Max.

The Isuzu D-Max is already selling like hot cakes in Asia/Japan markets and ...

1. May sell here sooner than the Chevy/GMC versions,(link below)

2. New Isuzu Rodeo will be based on this platform.

http://www.isuzu-tis.com/vehicles/cab4/htm...erformance.html

The Chevy and the GMC will be sold with Inline-4 and Inline-5 engines. the I-5 will come with _more_ hp and torque than the present 4.3L V6 and will also have blance shafts for smoothness. it is interesting that these trucks and the I-6 equipped ENVOY/Trailblazer twins have 'anti-grind' switches to prevent cranking when engines are running -- the engines are _very_ quiet. These new GM engines (I4, I5, I6 vortec family) were developed by Isuzu. Isuzu also designed the smooth DURAMAX 6600 diesel engine for GM (used in some Silverados).

More about the engines here,

http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/news/I4I5.html

Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon exterior and interior pics,

<img src=http://www.fiberglassrv.com/board/uploads/3eb20ffadf91dgc2004canyon02.jpg/> <img src=http://www.fiberglassrv.com/board/uploads/3eb2100730171gc2004canyon03.jpg/>
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Old 05-02-2003, 10:37 AM   #27
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Answer for Stephen (sort of)

I found a tow-rating list and they don't list anything that has ratings below 2000 Ibs.

http://www.trailerlife.com/downloads/03towingguide.pdf

The only VW listed is a Eurovan with a V6 (VR6?)

Towing 13 footer eggs with Jetta TDI's (or any other 2.0 litre engined compact) is IMO fine -- provided you have brakes on the trailer. Like the posters have concurred so far -- using common sense goes a long way.
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Old 05-02-2003, 02:00 PM   #28
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Basic Towing

Please remember that there are THREE parts to this towing stuf:

1. Pulling it

2. Steering it

3. Stopping it

Most Newbies are only aware of the first part. Just because you can get it moving at high speeds up hills doesn't mean you will be able to steer it or stop it.

Pete and Rats
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