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Old 07-22-2015, 02:51 PM   #29
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Have to be careful or my speed will creep up
We have the same issue Roger. The speed drifts upwards. Many times I set the cruise on to keep the speed at 100kph.

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When I brake I can sure tell I have something behind me pushing.
Our brakes are set up like David's. They engage slightly ahead of the car brakes so the pushing action is not there. The trailer is actually to a slight degree holding/pulling the car back. Stopping is no more of an event with the trailer than the car solo. This brake set up also resists the rig from jack knifing in an aggressive braking event.

We are fortunate to have large brakes for the trailer size and weight. Note that we have the same trailer brakes as some trailers twice our weight. That is a huge cushion.

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My point being, if I can feel that little trailer with a big van, then how is it possible for someone to not feel a trailer when towing with a car?
Performance vehicles have the right stuff. Sticky low profile tires, rigid unibodies, taunt suspension, low center of gravity, precise steering etc that all come together to make for a great TV. Of course the connection system needs to be right and that is where you need someone who knows what they are doing to get it right/safe.
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Old 07-22-2015, 02:58 PM   #30
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I hear you loud and clear. The sad thing on many of the towable units is that all it would take on the receiver hitch is a rise or drop stinger. Then there's the large pickup trucks towing off the bumper instead of having a receiver hitch installed. Finally, the recreationist who wants what I call the full experience. Stuff strapped on the front, back, top (a la a questionable rack) and rear of the towed unit, and they still have loose stuff in the pickup box. State DOTs don't have any problem writing truck drivers a ticket for infractions as minor as bugs in the air horn, but they let this stuff go on continually which is much more dangerous to the rest of us on the road. It's sad when it's refreshing to see a properly set up rig as the exception rather than the norm.
Well that's my rant for the day, I hope.
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Hi: Iowa Dave... My highway horror was on I94 east bound. Two guys in a flatbed stake truck with a flat steel ramp on the back. It was fastened down ok... but sticking out over the sides and wayyy over the rear end. The nose of the truck was bouncing and the wheelies were about 10-12"
off the pavement. I slowed and they bounced on by unconcerned as all get out.
For perfect towing of a tandem axle trailer...it should be level!!!
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Old 07-22-2015, 03:00 PM   #31
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The only time having our trailer brakes set up so high became a problem was going down hill into Osoyoos, BC. We were approaching from the east. That hill is very steep. The P3 brake controller has an inertia sensor that interprets a down hill like heavy braking. The trailer locked up. Not really a problem, I just temporarily turned down the trailer brakes.
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Old 07-22-2015, 03:09 PM   #32
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Personally I think that VW's reticence to rate their cars in the US is partially driven by the lack of support from their already pretty poor dealer network and the lack of the North American trailer electronic module packages.
I think it's really more about marketability, why would they sell you a smaller car with great gas mileage that is more than capable of towing a small trailer if they could convince you that you absolutely need something "bigger" and more expensive to do it safely?

FWIW I drive a sportwagen and I spent a long time considering all of the available options, in the end I went with a Torklift Central hitch because I didn't want to effectively be "stuck" at a fixed ball height, or with a 50mm ball, and with the torklift hitch I get a 2" receiver tube so I can use whatever standard ball mount suits my needs. I also decided not to worry about the euro wiring because it just didn't seem like it would be worth the extra expense in the end - the enhancements seemed very very subtle to me for the $400 price tag. Of course I'm driving a MT and not the DSG, so you may have extra considerations in play... I'm honestly pretty clueless about the DSG aside from knowing you just can't tow with it on a TDi, but IIRC yours is gas.

I don't however fall into the camp that believe that when fitting the original OEM hitch/wiring my sportwagen can magically exceed it's US tow rating. My car is rated for 2000lbs and I don't ever anticipate going over that with my scamp - but it's also why I have a 13 and not a 16 (I have been looking for a 16, but it won't be towed by my car).
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Old 07-22-2015, 07:47 PM   #33
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Actually MY JSW is a DSG TDI and it tows my 16' Scamp beautifully.
The DSG work quite well and the TDI has great torque and I liked it enough that when the first one was due to be filtered down to me from my wife we bought her a 2013 JSW TDI with the DSG,
I spent the $430 on the Westfalia towbar and electric kit so that eh T-ESP would work when it detected the trailer.
I am on of those engineers who believes that European measures of mass can be converted into US units without being discounted.
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I should mention trailer has brakes (since axle replacement) but current TV does not yet have a controller. So zero trailer braking is why I'm getting pushed. I would have expected less push considering the weight of the TV vs. the trailer weight. At least based on having towed a utility trailer that weighed more.

Might just be how I drive with camper vs. utility trailer. I tend to be going slow and not terribly long distances with the utility trailer. Might weigh 500 - 800 lbs. more but not generally driving for several hours at highway speeds either. Tend to be light footed with all that weight in the utility. Get used to the camper so more "surprised" when it doesn't want to stop.
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Roger,
I am getting ready to pull the hubs and braked (7") we talked about. Have you measured your axles yet?
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I should mention trailer has brakes (since axle replacement) but current TV does not yet have a controller. So zero trailer braking is why I'm getting pushed.
That explains it Roger and know the feeling.

We towed a brake less 2,000lb Coleman Rio Grande with our Nissan Van through the Rockies etc. We got by but no doubt our stopping distances were longer with the trailer in tow. Having the 23' with brakes is so much better and would never go back to a trailer without them unless it was a very light trailer.
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