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Old 09-02-2011, 10:09 AM   #57
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I think the Casita and Scamp's battery locations are different. The Casita I think is up front where as the Scamp is the rear. If you move 50lbs from front to rear you get a 100 lbs differential. I also think the wheelbase, i.e. the location of the wheels from the front can play with t/w variables. Just my thoughts.
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I think the Casita and Scamp's battery locations are different.
Actually, Casita puts their battery in a compartment at the Left Rear "Corner" under the dinette bench while Scamp puts theirs out on the tongue up front.

All of the 16' trailers have their axle-to-coupler spacing about the same. When Casita designed their 17', they just lengthened the body (and frame) toward the front, increasing the axle-to-coupler spacing.
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:54 AM   #59
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Casita 16

I used a Casita 16 for 6 months this past winter and hated the battery under the dinette. It was difficult to service and wasted inside space.

Though the Casita had the battery in the back it had two propane tanks that balanced the loss of battery weight compared to the Scamp that only has one propane tank.

I still don't understand the extra 400 pounds in the Casita. Actually the Casita is about 3-4 inches shorter but weighs 400 pounds more. Could this be the fiberglass under the floor?

Other than that they seem to be similarly constructed.
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Mys son tows his Casita 16 with a Suburau Outback, automatic transmission, without any issues.

My choice as well would to not get the CVT transmission. To me it's simply too new. I'd rather it accumulated a few years before I lept onto a new technology.
I tow with an Outback but its more than two years old so it doesnt have new to Subaru CVT transmission. Mine has an automtic but can be switched over a manual sport mode option. Have towed with it for more the 5 years without any issues at all.

I would love to hear if anyone is towing with the new to Subaru CVT transmission - I think they changed to CVT in 2010? was kind of disappointed to hear Subaura had switched to CVT as I had heard also that they were not as good for towing as the old transmission they were using. But then again I have heard a lot of people claim that the Subaru Outback isnt a safe choose for towing in the first place - lol - but then again those who often say it have usually never actually towed with one.

I actually had a fellow from Texas camp beside me in a campground this summer. He asked me where I was heading and I told him I was going down the Coast then into Idaho, Wyoming and Montana and then home via the Washington Cascades. He told me that he had driven through some pretty big mountains on his way to Portland and there was no way that Subaru could tow through them and that I should re think my plans. I giggled and asked him if he had noticed my license plate and pointed out that I fairly familiar with mountains as we have a few of them in BC and that I actually live on the side of a ski hill. I jokingly said that my driveway might be declared a mountain from someone from Texas. He shook his head and said no way he would tow without a lot more power as it just cant be safe. I assured him I was towing within the Subaru's tow cap & had been through the Cascades before without any problems. What was funny about the conversation was the guy had a really big truck with a tow package on it but he was camping in a tent in the rain but he said he had a really nice trailer at home. When I asked him why he didnt have the trailer with him he said he could not afford the gas towing the trailer on such a long trip so he was camping in this tent for 3 days and every 4th day staying in a hotel...... I left him to go back to the comfort of my dry little trailer where I ROFL....
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Norm,
I think the Casita and Scamp's battery locations are different. The Casita I think is up front where as the Scamp is the rear. If you move 50lbs from front to rear you get a 100 lbs differential. I also think the wheelbase, i.e. the location of the wheels from the front can play with t/w variables. Just my thoughts.
The battery on my Scamp 16' is on the front - not seen one on the back of a Scamp before.
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I tow with an Outback but its more than two years old so it doesnt have new to Subaru CVT transmission. Mine has an automtic but can be switched over a manual sport mode option. Have towed with it for more the 5 years without any issues at all.

I would love to hear if anyone is towing with the new to Subaru CVT transmission - I think they changed to CVT in 2010? was kind of disappointed to hear Subaura had switched to CVT as I had heard also that they were not as good for towing as the old transmission they were using. But then again I have heard a lot of people claim that the Subaru Outback isnt a safe choose for towing in the first place - lol - but then again those who often say it have usually never actually towed with one.

I actually had a fellow from Texas camp beside me in a campground this summer. He asked me where I was heading and I told him I was going down the Coast then into Idaho, Wyoming and Montana and then home via the Washington Cascades. He told me that he had driven through some pretty big mountains on his way to Portland and there was no way that Subaru could tow through them and that I should re think my plans. I giggled and asked him if he had noticed my license plate and pointed out that I fairly familiar with mountains as we have a few of them in BC and that I actually live on the side of a ski hill. I jokingly said that my driveway might be declared a mountain from someone from Texas. He shook his head and said no way he would tow without a lot more power as it just cant be safe. I assured him I was towing within the Subaru's tow cap & had been through the Cascades before without any problems. What was funny about the conversation was the guy had a really big truck with a tow package on it but he was camping in a tent in the rain but he said he had a really nice trailer at home. When I asked him why he didnt have the trailer with him he said he could not afford the gas towing the trailer on such a long trip so he was camping in this tent for 3 days and every 4th day staying in a hotel...... I left him to go back to the comfort of my dry little trailer where I ROFL....
Here's our 4CYL Escape & 13 Scamp deluxe in the parking lot at the MT St Hellens observation spot...(we're from ILLannoy)
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Here's our 4CYL Escape & 13 Scamp deluxe in the parking lot at the MT St Hellens observation spot...(we're from ILLannoy)
Is your Escape a Hybrid with a CVT transmission?
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The battery on my Scamp 16' is on the front - not seen one on the back of a Scamp before.
Actually we saw a Scamp where the owner had put two batteries on his rear bumper. I was surpised.

We try to keep the tongue relatively light. We have a battery and one Propane tank on the tongue of our Scamp. We had two propane tanks on our Casita. I think those are about equal senarios.
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I'm interest in how similarly sized trailers, the Casita 16/17, Scamp 16 and the Boler 17 can vary so much in max weight. We towed a Casita 16 2800/280, Scamp 16 2400/200 and your Boler 17 2300/200. Of course the Casita 17's are typically in the 3200/400 pound range.

Both Casita and Scamp had air conditioners and baths. The Casita has dual propane, the Scamp single propane.

Where are these weight differences?
Boler has shower toilet combo and dual propane
No air or oven on ours though oven was an option in 78
They all seem similar in weight? especially the Scamp and Boler your air will equal the some of the 100 lb difference
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I used a Casita 16 for 6 months this past winter and hated the battery under the dinette. It was difficult to service and wasted inside space.

Though the Casita had the battery in the back it had two propane tanks that balanced the loss of battery weight compared to the Scamp that only has one propane tank.

I still don't understand the extra 400 pounds in the Casita. Actually the Casita is about 3-4 inches shorter but weighs 400 pounds more. Could this be the fiberglass under the floor?

Other than that they seem to be similarly constructed.
Our boler has a fiberglass sub floor?
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Sometimes, though the bottom is fiberglass, they have plywood on top iof the fiberglass. Is that the case in the Boler?
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Norm,
I think the Casita and Scamp's battery locations are different. The Casita I think is up front where as the Scamp is the rear. If you move 50lbs from front to rear you get a 100 lbs differential. I also think the wheelbase, i.e. the location of the wheels from the front can play with t/w variables. Just my thoughts.
My cousin has a white Airstream Argosy trailer the axle is back far enough that a class IV hitch is required, very heavy on tongue but the trailer is not very heavy? Axle placement makes it heavy on the tongue.
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Sometimes, though the bottom is fiberglass, they have plywood on top of the fiberglass. Is that the case in the Boler?
Yes fiberglass sub floor with plywood then linoleum
at least the floor can not rot through
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My Scamp has a side bath with no ac and comes in at the 2400/2450 range fully loaded (including all tables chairs, bq, water hoses, wheel chocks etc) - one battery & one propane tank but with little to no water - have noticed the newer units same config come in a bit heavier as do ones with AC or front bath set ups.
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