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Old 11-01-2009, 06:32 PM   #29
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Roger,
How do you like that Trillium with your Outback, and what options do you have on it? The Trillium is on my short list since I like the layout with the front dinette. I've pretty much decided on a 13 ft camper so I can continue to tow it with an Outback sized vehicle rather than having to keep a gas guzzler around forever (my truck), and I like the Scamp, Casita, and Trillium for different reasons.
Is the front dinette usable and easy to get in and out of?

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Old 11-01-2009, 06:55 PM   #30
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I just looked at another thread on trailer weights, and 2 13 ft campers were weighed at a gathering. The Scamp weighed 1620, and the Casita weighed 2640! Looks like Casitas run heavier than Scamps, but I imagine that was probably the deluxe model which is listed as 1880 dry in the Casita brochure.
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/board/index.ph...mp;#entry326582

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Old 11-01-2009, 07:15 PM   #31
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Subaru only uses a 1 1/4 inch receiver, doesn't it? I would think that also be a problem for 16 foot trailers.

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The 1 1/4 hitches are normally rated as much as 3500 lbs (Class II), but the Subaru limit is less; 2700 lbs on my Outback, and maybe 2400/2500 on the Forester? I'm not sure if you can order a factory installed hitch for the Subaru from the factory, I believe they are dealer installed. I added my own hitch from etrailer.com and also added an auxilliary transmission cooler. You can purchase either a Class II 1 1/4" or a Class III 2" hitch from etrailer.com but either one is still limited to the Subaru recommendations. I believe the tongue weight would be a problem keeping within the recommendations from Subaru with a 16 ft camper, and a previous post showing trailer weights looks like the Casita 13 may even have a hard time remaining within the Subaru 200 lb tongue weight. The Scamp 13 looked like it was within the limits. The 2'' hitch may be more convenient for carrying bike racks though.

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Old 11-02-2009, 01:54 PM   #32
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John,

Two posts ago you mentioned a 1620 lb Scamp. That is ours. It is not easy to keep the weight down, and most people we know with 13 foot trailers 2,000 pounds is more usual. We keep things very basic, use our rig for traveling and mostly sleeping. We are not true campers, nor do we need to take electronic stuff. Our toys are a laptop computer, camera, a deck of cards, and books.

Thanks for the info about the 1 1/4 inch receiver. It does look like a toy when I see one.

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Old 11-02-2009, 04:23 PM   #33
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How do you like that Trillium with your Outback, and what options do you have on it? The Trillium is on my short list since I like the layout with the front dinette. I've pretty much decided on a 13 ft camper so I can continue to tow it with an Outback sized vehicle rather than having to keep a gas guzzler around forever (my truck), and I like the Scamp, Casita, and Trillium for different reasons.
Is the front dinette usable and easy to get in and out of?

John H

The Outback pulls the Trillium well. Steep hills on less than expressway grades do call for a lower gear and worse mileage. We have the front dinette and just for the two of us it is great! We purchased a little camp stool for the second person to sit in front of the table.
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The kitchen side is difficult to get into. But I do notice that the latest Trilliums (Trilliumrv.com) have the dinette table offset. I may try that, but we use the left dinette seating area for food storage.

I don't see any sense of going to a 2" receiver since Class I is all the Subaru can pull anyway.

http://www.bradstrailer.com/hitch_information.htm

Plus bigger size means more weight.

There is a lot of good information on the internet:

http://autos.aol.com/article/towing-tips

Here is a whole series of articles on towing:

http://trucks.about.com/od/autobuyin...ing_trucks.htm
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Old 11-03-2009, 07:35 PM   #34
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I need to clarify my statement on Subaru towing capacity. Our 2000 Outback is rated at 2000# with trailer brakes and 1000# without. Looking on the internet, I found the following:

2007 Subaru
B9 TRIBECA B9 TRIBECA 5-PASSENGER | B9 TRIBECA 7-PASSENGER
• 3,500 lbs. towing capacity (with accessory trailer towing kit)
3.0R L.L.BEAN® EDITION SEDAN and WAGON
• 3,000 lbs. towing capacity
OUTBACK 2.5i BASIC WAGON | 2.5i WAGON | 2.5i LIMITED SEDAN and WAGON
• 2,700 lbs. towing capacity\
FORESTER 2.5 X | SPORTS 2.5X7 | 2.5X L.L.BEAN® EDITION
• 2,400 lbs. towing capacity

Above gleaned from: https://www.subaru.com/content/downloads/pd...s/2007_full.pdf

You can see that it can get confusing. The best thing to do is check your owner's manual.

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WARNING: Never tow a trailer when the temporary spare tire is used. The temporary spare tire is not designed to sustain the towing load.

https://www.subaru.com/my-subaru/tired-tires.html
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Old 11-03-2009, 08:45 PM   #35
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I was curious if the tow limit for the 2010 Outback with CVT would be lower than my 08 auto transmission, but looking at the 2010 owners manual, the 4 cyl with MT or CVT is still rated to tow 2700 lbs with brakes. 1000 without brakes, and for the automatics, "When towing a trailer on a long uphill grade continuously for over 5 miles (8 km) with an outside temperature of 104F (40C) or above, 1350 (1500 for 6 cylinder)".
I have brakes on my pop-up and plan to get them on my 13 ft Scamp/Casita/Trillium (still in the decision making stage) when I order it.
Subaru also recommends a tongue load of 8-11 % and still has the 200 lb limit, even for the 6. Doing the math, it's impossible to reach 2700 or 3000 and keep the tongue weight down to 200 even with just an 8% tongue load, and Subaru mentions that in the manual. So, to keep it down to 200, you can't haul more than 2500 lbs.

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Old 11-03-2009, 09:18 PM   #36
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John, you would do a dis-service to all of us Subaru/Trillium owners if you did not settle on a Trillium
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We just ordered a '13 Scamp with a toilet, shower and A/C. The salesman said FWIW that the '16 would not be his recommendation, but that lots of folks are towing loaded 13's with a Subie
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John, you would do a dis-service to all of us Subaru/Trillium owners if you did not settle on a Trillium
Sorry, I like the Trillium, but found a great deal on an 05 Scamp 16 last year after I attended the Scamp Camp and couldn't pass it up (especially since it was the only one still available when I called)
I've had that Scamp all over the place, from TX to FL to PA and VA, and next week will add IN, OH, MI, Canada, and NY to it's resume.

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Hi, are you towing it with your Subie or your other vehicle?
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Hi, are you towing it with your Subie or your other vehicle?
I tow with my truck about half the time, and the Subaru the other half. The Subaru max tongue weight allowed is only 200 lbs, so if I know I need to carry a lot of weight, or carry both LP tanks on a long trip then I use the truck.
As long as I can keep the weight low enough to allow about a 200 lb tongue weight, I'm fine with the Subaru.
The 13 Scamp should be easier to keep at the 200 lb tongue weight, and that was what I originally planned to get, but a 16 deal became available. Initially I was concerned about towing the 16 with my Outback, but after a trial trip and redistributing some weight to get the tongue weight down, it worked better than I had expected. It's easier to transport my kayaks on the Subaru too.
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Wow, that was fast. We plan to pick up our 13' with all the extra weight of a toilet and shower and A/C. I don't remember from various threads, but do you have an added transmission cooler (or is your Subie a manual transmission)?
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Wow, that was fast. We plan to pick up our 13' with all the extra weight of a toilet and shower and A/C. I don't remember from various threads, but do you have an added transmission cooler (or is your Subie a manual transmission)?
We have the added weight of the toilet, shower, and A/C also. Weighed it on the CAT scale with a full load including full fresh water and hot water tanks to ensure we didn't exceed the 2700 lb Subaru limit, although we normally travel lighter than the full load. Subaru specifies an 8-11% tongue weight.
I added a trans cooler as extra insurance, as well as a brake controller, although the Subaru seems to have great cooling capacity. My temp gauge seems to be the same spot whether I'm solo or towing, but I haven't pulled it up any really big hills yet.
The 13' Scamp should be an even easier combination to pull than the 16, as it's probably at least a couple hundred pounds lighter.
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