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Old 09-16-2013, 04:33 PM   #15
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It may be the case that it's not legal but I have no doubt that being able to see rearward adds to our safety. It's apparant that GPS is allowed on the dash as well as tire sensor monitors and scan guages.

Mine will be on all the time, it even has noght vision.
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Old 09-16-2013, 05:30 PM   #16
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It may be the case that it's not legal but I have no doubt that being able to see rearward adds to our safety. It's apparant that GPS is allowed on the dash as well as tire sensor monitors and scan guages.

Mine will be on all the time, it even has noght vision.
Since we tow with a pickup, we mounted the camera monitor on a suction cup affixed on the back window of the cab with the monitor facing forward. The driver can see the monitor by looking in the rearview mirror..so it is just like normal. You just have to reverse the image on the monitor so that it takes the mirror into account.
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Old 09-16-2013, 06:18 PM   #17
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I tend to put things in the line of site. Our Ultragauge sits in front and between RPM and MPH, the tire dauge in the upper right corner of the windshield and the rather small monitor for the camera on the dash to the right of center. These positions allow me to keep my eyes on the road.
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Old 09-16-2013, 07:03 PM   #18
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One guy said that if you back a "taco" with the tailgate down, the camera is pointed at the muffler...
The backup cameras that I have seen on pickup trucks are mounted on the tailgate adjacent to the handle, and the Tacoma is an example of this, so they would look the wrong way when the tailgate is down.

I can see lowering the tailgate to back up without a camera - I raise the hatch on our van to back up the trailer so I can see it - but I think the idea is that the camera replaces looking directly, so you would back up to the trailer with the tailgate up.
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Old 09-16-2013, 07:07 PM   #19
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I read somewhere that it is illegal to drive forward with the camera operating if the display is visible from the front seat area.
Although I have occasionally read the same thing, I do not believe it is true. I have some time in the automotive sector and have also read at least some of the relevant sections of FMVSS and don't remember that. Could you cite a specific reference for me to read and research?

People use GPS navigation devices frequently and while you have to make sure you don't impair your forward vision inappropriately you rarely hear of issues of people getting pulled over for it.

Personally, I am quite fond of the displays in the mirror for these types of application. It also fits the need for looking like it "fits in".

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I read somewhere that it is illegal to drive forward with the camera operating if the display is visible from the front seat area. The same as having a TV or dvd player in operation, it is considered a distraction. That is why cameras installed by the manufacturer only work when backing up. Most of the aftermarket displays have a connection to make it so it only operates when backing up (although that is easy to defeat).
This makes no sense to me. A TV or DVD player is showing content unrelated to driving, so it is a distraction, but the backup camera is showing the same thing as a mirror - are rearview mirrors illegal distractions?

Of course, good sense and legislation often conflict: what regulation is this? No offense, but "I read somewhere" is just rumour. If I read somewhere that it's illegal to drive a white four-door sedan because it could be confused with a police car - which makes at least as much sense as the camera thing - would anyone believe me?

My motorhome has a backup camera. The display comes on automatically when reverse is selected, but it can also be turned on manually... just by pushing a button on the display unit, not by any modification or clever workaround. I turn it on sometimes when I am concerned that someone is really close behind me and out of the view of my mirrors. It is factory-installed and likely compliant with all real regulations.

If the display replaces the normal view through the interior rear-view mirror, my guess is that display probably does not meet the legal requirements (at least by federal standards) for a rear-view mirror, so dual outside mirrors would be required... but all modern cars and especially all trailer-towing vehicles have two of those anyway.
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State by state information... Looks OK in many states...

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State by state information... Looks OK in many states...

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At a quick scan, most of those restrictions apply to television, which is not the same as a video display. Some explicitly refer to broadcasts, and the intent is clearly different from video monitoring of the immediate environment; many explicitly allow video displays used for the control of the vehicle. With that understanding, only the poorly written Illinois rule appears to be a problem, and even that might not be accurately reported in the list.

The Northwest Territories and Nunavut (which were one territory when the rule was written many years ago) actually use the term CRT, but at least they allowed for advancing technology and put in an "equivalent" reference. The most amusing part to me is the Alaskan reference to "Loran". Only in Alaska would anyone think to put LORAN in a road vehicle...
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At a quick scan, most of those restrictions apply to television, which is not the same as a video display. Some explicitly refer to broadcasts, and the intent is clearly different from video monitoring of the immediate environment; many explicitly allow video displays used for the control of the vehicle. With that understanding, only the poorly written Illinois rule appears to be a problem, and even that might not be accurately reported in the list.
Keep in mind that many of these laws were written some time ago and may use terms that are not commonly used today. Without seeing the actual laws it isn't possible to tell, but what is referred to today as a backup camera and video monitor would have been called closed circuit television in the past. A case could even be be made that the wireless backup models are broadcast TV.

Wikipedia definition of television "Television (TV) is a telecommunication medium for transmitting and receiving moving images..."

I saw a number of states that prohibited TV and did not exclude uses like navigation or better visibility. Poorly written or out of date laws can still be enforced, even if they are stupid.
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My wife and i use the Reese 7807944 hindsight wireless camera/monitor. We hang the monitor on the rear view mirror. The camera has a magnetic mount that we attach to the rear van doors when hooking up the trailer, then we move the camera to the inside rear window of the trailer and use it as a rear-view to traffic behind.

We've been happy with the unit. The only thing we had to adjust is making sure to remove the upper lexan storm window as it can confuse the camera into IR/night mode and have a large white spot in the monitor. After we figured that out, it's been a usable system for monitoring traffic.

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Old 09-28-2013, 02:51 PM   #25
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We've mounted our camera in the corner of the rear Window. This allows the window to slide and no screen interference.


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The wireless transmitter is located in the front window with Velcro. It is cabled from to the camera.



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The wireless receiver is in our Honda. The power to the receiver comes from the switch that sends power to the trailer.

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We have the camera on our Tundra which is most likely the same that comes on the Tacoma.. It does beep when attached to the trailer, but only when the vehicle is in reverse because that's the only time the camera goes active. I don't find it annoying. Its great. Last week we drove a friends Suburau Outback. Their camera video screen is located in the rear view mirror. Convenient and a line indicates when you're a foot away from an object.
Both the Toyota Tacoma's I recently drove a 2012 & a 2011 both had the back up video screen built into the rear view mirror as well.
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Certainly the rear view is a good place for the display. I choose to mount mine on the dash because it's designed to be used to view behind the trailer.

The display is similar to a rear view mirror in size, a little shorter, and could be mounted to the mirror.

It turns out the display has two inputs. It appears one could buy a second camera and mount it on the rear window or license plate frame of the tow vehicle.
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I didn't want any holes in my new Jeep and didn't want the screen anywhere visible when we were towing so mounted the screen to a cut off water bottle that fits snugly in the cup holder. Click image for larger version

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