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Old 09-30-2016, 06:13 PM   #29
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I am happy that I invested $155 for a tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS). In case of a slow leak, it will insure that I do not continue driving with under-inflated tires. In the case of a sudden pressure loss, it will instantly alert and, if I can stop in time, then damage to the camper might prevented or at least minimized. Of course a sudden blow out at 65 MPH is still likely to do some damage so the TPMS is no substitute for proper tire maintenance, regular inspections, etc.


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TPMS is nice to have and they are great for warning of slow leaks.

BUT when it comes to an actual blow out the odds are you are going to hear it and feel it the same time the TPMS tells you about it and by then the odds are the damage if any has already been done.
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Old 09-30-2016, 06:14 PM   #30
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Two things come to mind.
One is them Chinese quality control is hit or miss.
Not that they can't make quality goods, but they don't have the same concept of quality that the US does.
Two is 13" tires go round and round a lot more than larger tires.
That along with heat and "abuse" leave a smaller safety margin. If smaller tire hits a pothole the shock to it is greater too.
This is why when I had to buy new wheels for my new axle I sprung for 14" wheels and tires with much higher margins of safety.
Now that also meant new (steel) wheel wells as well. (Better protection from thrown tire parts?)
While I have the Chinese tires that came with the wheels they do have a greater load rating by far than even the higher rated 13" tires.
When they are replaced probably US made Carlisle (sp?) will go on.
They have redesigned their trailer tires and hopefully their past troubles are over.
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Old 09-30-2016, 06:18 PM   #31
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Funny how a relative minor incident like this can become a lightening rod for every controversial subject imaginable: WDH, trucks vs. cars as tow vehicles, ST vs LT tires, globalization,

I think the real reason the tire blew is because the trailer has a bathroom!


Actually surprised no one has suggested it due to poor trailer design yet

I think the real reason the tire blew is it is driving on roads that frequently have items on them that can result in punchers, tears etc.
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Old 09-30-2016, 06:25 PM   #32
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One is them Chinese quality control is hit or miss.
Not that they can't make quality goods, but they don't have the same concept of quality that the US does.
Believe the above may be somewhat incorrect.

I think you will find that of the major tire companies that are making tires in China (and there are a lot of them these days) that they are using the exact same quality control standards and methods they use/used when the tires are/were made at their US or elsewhere plants.
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Old 09-30-2016, 06:58 PM   #33
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Believe the above may be somewhat incorrect.

I think you will find that of the major tire companies that are making tires in China (and there are a lot of them these days) that they are using the exact same quality control standards and methods they use/used when the tires are/were made at their US or elsewhere plants.
If true that may or may not be comforting. Remember the issues that Firestone had some years back.
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Old 09-30-2016, 07:06 PM   #34
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It looks like Ford had the issues, but not Firestone. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firest...re_controversy
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Old 09-30-2016, 07:25 PM   #35
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TPMS is nice to have and they are great for warning of slow leaks.

BUT when it comes to an actual blow out the odds are you are going to hear it and feel it the same time the TPMS tells you about it and by then the odds are the damage if any has already been done.
I thought that was what I said. But if not, then yes.. initial damage will have been done. Further damage from continuing down the road might be prevented however. The important point is that I keep hearing from people that had "blow outs" on trailer tires that they hardly even could tell there was a problem from the driver's seat. That seems counter-intuitive to me but thats what I keep hearing. I have not had a trailer tire blow out myself so I have no personal experience to draw from.


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I think it's a small tire big pothole issue. To me it seems the road damage on the highway is far worse on the passenger's side of the right lane. ....
Yes, the problem is not that our tires are made in China, its that our roads are made in America.
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The important point is that I keep hearing from people that had "blow outs" on trailer tires that they hardly even could tell there was a problem from the driver's seat.
It is common to hear that, especially from folks with dual axle trailers and its a rear tire that blows - you are probable going to notice the front one more.

In the case of the OP they are suggesting I believe that the type of WDH they are using also helped keep the trailer which is a single axle straight. It may well have helped. Would expect that when you have a fast blow out that the trailer is going to do at least some initial wiggle in response. Although every situation seems to be different as to the degree. It is why I believe I was taught never to hit the brakes if you have a blow out but instead do a little bit of a speed up to get/keep the trailer in line and then gradually pull it over.

I have had only one tire failure that I would call a fast complete blow out and fortunately it was not an overly hair raising experience. Have seen lots of posts over the years from others though who's experience was not as good.
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Two things come to mind.
One is them Chinese quality control is hit or miss.
Not that they can't make quality goods, but they don't have the same concept of quality that the US does.
Two is 13" tires go round and round a lot more than larger tires.
That along with heat and "abuse" leave a smaller safety margin. If smaller tire hits a pothole the shock to it is greater too.
This is why when I had to buy new wheels for my new axle I sprung for 14" wheels and tires with much higher margins of safety.
Now that also meant new (steel) wheel wells as well. (Better protection from thrown tire parts?)
While I have the Chinese tires that came with the wheels they do have a greater load rating by far than even the higher rated 13" tires.
When they are replaced probably US made Carlisle (sp?) will go on.
They have redesigned their trailer tires and hopefully their past troubles are over.
I have 15s on my Pinto and they go round and round at the same rate as the 13s which came on the car.
On trailer tires the typical difference to upsize from 185/80/13 to 205/75/14 is about 3.4% revs per mile or 818 & 790 respectively, truly negligible.
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It looks like Ford had the issues, but not Firestone. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firest...re_controversy
Actually it was Firestone tires which were the problem. The day I bought my 2001 Ranger, Ford allowed me to go to the tire dealer of my choice and get five new tires of my choice which they paid for. They took the Flintstones and drilled a 3" hole in the sidewall of each tire to prevent them from being used any further. I drove a hundred miles from the Ford dealer to the tire dealer and WOW what a difference! Any road racer will tell you that a car is first just a set of tires. .
I did of course tweak the suspension a little as well. The truck still drives great.
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The Wiki article actually substantiates the idea that the tires were the problem, although the low tire pressures specified by Ford certainly could have played a role.

IIRC I got about 35,000 miles out of my Firestones on the 2000 Mountaineer (Explorer clone) before getting them replaced under the recall. Felt like I made out like a bandit on that. My wife still drives the Mountaineer daily, BTW, and insists she doesn't want anything different.
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It looks like Ford had the issues, but not Firestone. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firest...re_controversy
Thanks for refreshing my memory.
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I have had good Chinese tires and not so good.
The tire shop I used to have the Chinese tires balanced said that they were the worst out of balance and out of round that they have seen.
I a have a little experience with QC and my son more.
He had the opportunity to go to and from China making things for Chrysler and that is his opinion as well.
If the importer does not stay on top of the manufacturer.


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Old 10-01-2016, 12:16 PM   #42
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A few months ago I put metal valve stems on my trailer's wheels and ordered the TST 507 RV (non-flow through model) from this retailer who is a couple who full time RV and have a small business selling a few products. I was happy with the seller and I am still happy with the product.

(BTW, I do remove the sensors when not traveling to conserve battery life).
Gordon,
Thanks for the tip on removing the 507 sensors. I missed this info in the user manual and it definitely seems a good idea. It's now on my fall checklist.

BTW, I purchased my TST units from the same retailer and was very pleased with the excellent customer service.
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