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Old 04-26-2006, 07:07 AM   #1
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I have a question. I looked at a picture of an Escape (trailer) and it looked like the tongue weight might be heavier in proportion to some of the other trailer brands because of how far the wheels are from the tongue. Has anyone checked this or have the specs on that weight?
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Old 04-26-2006, 09:26 AM   #2
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Per the manufacturer's websites, the following is the tongue weight (without options) for a standard Escape, Casita, 17 ft Spirit Deluxe, and Scamp 16 ft.

Escape - 250 pounds
Casita - 365 pounds
Scamp - 135 pounds

I tow with a Ford Explorer and found a rental 16 ft Casita Standard to be prone to sway; perhaps it was due to poor tire balance and abuse as a rental. My 17 ft Escape with a weight distribution hitch is very stable. I got almost every option so it is pretty close to being a maximum weight variant. The Escape axle is placed a little far aft to improve stability, it appears to be working.

I am going to weigh my tow vehicle and trailer in mid-May. I'll post the weights then.
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Old 04-26-2006, 09:52 AM   #3
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That comparison is a little unnecc. harsh on the Casita.

The 17' Casita is being compared to the 16' Scamp and the Casita is the deluxe with a heavy bath in the front compared to a lighter couch.

The 16' Casita Standard (no couch, just a bath) has a tounge weight of 215lbs. (as per manufacturer's site)

Given that, it's hard for me to understand why it's all THAT different. Scamp's is specifically "before options" - so it depends on what they call an option.

Course it all changes radically as soon as you start loading up the trailer.

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Old 04-26-2006, 09:59 AM   #4
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Mike is right: the correct answer is, "it all depends." Next time you load up to go camping, try weighing the tongue on a good bathroom scale - you might be surprised at the difference between mfrs. specs and the actual tongue weight.
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Old 04-26-2006, 10:43 AM   #5
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I weighed my Scamp's tongue weight recently (13'). It weighed 168 lbs without the water tank filled. Probably a bit less with the water in.
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I don't think the proportions are very different from other trailers, but it might be interesting to compare actual dimensions. Remember that the tongue weight will be determined by the relative axle-to-tongue length and the distance between the axle and the centre of mass (weight), so if between two sizes of trailer all the dimensions change in proportion, so will the tongue weight.

I think one factor which might make the axle-to-tongue distance look long is simply the size of the trailer: at 17' feet, it's relatively long for an egg. Also, Escapes with factory dual propane tanks which are mounted one ahead of the other (not the more common side-by-side) place the battery in an box on the bumper (rather than the tongue), which would make a significant difference to tongue weight.

The 17' Casita does seem to distribute it's weight more towards the front than (for instance) the Boler 1700. That's not a criticism, just and observation. It would not be a good match for my preferred towing configuration, but it suits others well.
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Old 04-27-2006, 05:04 PM   #7
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Thanks everyone.

I hadn't thought of the weight placement. That makes sense.
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Old 04-29-2006, 06:56 AM   #8
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Mike is right: the correct answer is, "it all depends." Next time you load up to go camping, try weighing the tongue on a good bathroom scale - you might be surprised at the difference between mfrs. specs and the actual tongue weight.
I found the tongue weight of our 16' Scamp to be approx. 350 lb. using a bath scale. We have the front bath and two propane tanks in the front. This seems to be right on target with the 10-15% recommended tongue weight per our Durango's owners manual. We havn't had any problems towing without any anti-sway attachments.
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Hmmm

The manufacturer's specified tongue weight for the Fiber Stream is 250 pounds. Its about the same dimensions and specs as the Casita 16ft deluxe. But, there are dual axles placed more rearward.
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Old 04-29-2006, 05:00 PM   #10
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I had my TV/RV weighed at the Bluebonnet Casita Rally and was amazed when told that the "pin weight" was 450 pounds. Dry black water tank, dry grey water tank, and full water tank.

I was confused about "pin weight" until I discovered that the "pin weight" is not the same as "hitch weight". The "pin weight" is the net sum of the weight transfered forward to the two axles of the TV.

The "hitch weight" is the weight at the ball socket of the RV when it is not connected to the TV.

I have never had the "hitch weight" weighed. I don't think it is 450 pounds.
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...I was confused about "pin weight" until I discovered that the "pin weight" is not the same as "hitch weight". The "pin weight" is the net sum of the weight transfered forward to the two axles of the TV.

The "hitch weight" is the weight at the ball socket of the RV when it is not connected to the TV.
That sounds strange to me. In everything I've read "pin weight" is used only for 5th wheel hitches, and is simply the weight at the hitch (pin-and-plate, not ball, because of the hitch type), which means the same thing as hitch weight.
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...The manufacturer's specified tongue weight for the Fiber Stream is 250 pounds. Its about the same dimensions and specs as the Casita 16ft deluxe. But, there are dual axles placed more rearward.
Are the axles really more rearward? The effective centre of the axle system in a tandem setup is midway between the two axles, and in the Fiber Stream this is far enough forward that even after a whole tire diameter, there's still enough space behind the wheels for a door and closet.

My 17' Boler has the axle about 122 inches (10' 2") behind the coupler (hitch ball centre); how far back from the ball are the Fiber Stream axles?
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Old 05-25-2006, 11:05 PM   #13
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Per the manufacturer's websites, the following is the tongue weight (without options) for a standard Escape, Casita, 17 ft Spirit Deluxe, and Scamp 16 ft.

Escape - 250 pounds
Casita - 365 pounds
Scamp - 135 pounds

I tow with a Ford Explorer and found a rental 16 ft Casita Standard to be prone to sway; perhaps it was due to poor tire balance and abuse as a rental. My 17 ft Escape with a weight distribution hitch is very stable. I got almost every option so it is pretty close to being a maximum weight variant. The Escape axle is placed a little far aft to improve stability, it appears to be working.

I am going to weigh my tow vehicle and trailer in mid-May. I'll post the weights then.
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We have towed our escape over 40,000 km's (24,000 miles) using both a Toyota Tacoma and a Toyota Tundra. We do use an equalizer hitch and with both vehicles we could not detect any bounce or sway. Our Escape "Rubea" is loaded and for a three month trip it is realy loaded. On the truck scales we determined our tongue weight to be just over 300 lbs dead weight but when the equalizer hitch is hooked up we see the back of the truck rise at least 1" and therefore distribute much of the tongue weight to the front of the truck.

We do tow with empty water and sewer tanks when possible only because we have experienced some very rough roads, the I-5 north of LA being the worst, and all excess weight adds to "impacting' or "jarring" of the entire trailer. Also, we purchased an egg because it was light and it seems we are defeating that purpose if we carry unecessary weight.

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Old 05-28-2006, 04:26 PM   #14
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I recently returned from a trip to Custer SD, and than on to WY and MT before returning to MN. I pulled my Scamp 13' onto a certified scale at a truck stop and found out that the way I was loaded, the trailer weighed 1440 #.

Prior to leaving home I slipped the bathroom scale under the tongue and I had a tongue weight of 190 #.

Somewhere on this site I remember folks saaying that your tongue weight should be about 10%-15% of the trailers weight. In my case it worked out to 13% and I had no problems with sway or anything during the trip that I just took, covering 1850 miles.

Just another opinion

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Old 05-28-2006, 09:38 PM   #15
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Did you measure the tongue weight at the ball socket or the hitch jack?

Ball socket weight = hitch jack weight X distance from wheel bearing shaft to hitch jack / distance from wheel bearing shaft to ball socket

This would reduce the hitch weight slightly.
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I recently returned from a trip to Custer SD, and than on to WY and MT before returning to MN. I pulled my Scamp 13' onto a certified scale at a truck stop and found out that the way I was loaded, the trailer weighed 1440 #.

Prior to leaving home I slipped the bathroom scale under the tongue and I had a tongue weight of 190 #.

Somewhere on this site I remember folks saaying that your tongue weight should be about 10%-15% of the trailers weight. In my case it worked out to 13% and I had no problems with sway or anything during the trip that I just took, covering 1850 miles.

Just another opinion

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Hi Jim: The important point is that you had no problems or sway. Having said that, the only way to get correct weights is to measure the weight of the trailer seperatly from the tow vehicle. When you are hitched up the tongue wieght will increase the rear wheel weight of the tow vehicle and decrease the front wheel weight.
Measuring the tongue weight as you did is a precise way of knowing the weight on the hitch but keep in mind this weight changes under driving conditions and can increase or decrrease dramaticaly as the vehicles "bounce" down the highway.

This is all just grist for the mill if you are haapy with the way your rig tows.

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Are the axles really more rearward? The effective centre of the axle system in a tandem setup is midway between the two axles, and in the Fiber Stream this is far enough forward that even after a whole tire diameter, there's still enough space behind the wheels for a door and closet.
Don't have the hitch to wheel dimension, but within the Fiber Stream trailer, the plywood floor section in front of the 48" wheel well is 55", and the section behind the wheel well is 48". Major weight behind are the black and grey water tanks. Major weight in front is the fresh water tank, furnace, water heater, and battery. I would say the trailer has significant weight forward, and should be towed level only, not front down.

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Thanks for the information, Victor.

With the effective axle location in the middle of the wheel well, that's (55+48/2)=99" from the front of the body. Fred says the trailer is 16'0" overall, with a 13'-2" body, so there's 2'-10" (=34") of tongue. That means 133" (99+34) from hitch to axle, which is about 10% longer than my B1700 - not such an extreme case of the rear axle being set back. Despite the tandem axles, which look close to the rear, it seems to me that the Fiber Stream is quite typical in proportions. Maybe none of our trailers are radically different in proportions - they just have varying amounts of equipment loaded up front, and thus have different tongue weights.

Okay, I'll stop bugging people about techie details now...
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Old 05-31-2006, 02:59 AM   #19
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Did you measure the tongue weight at the ball socket or the hitch jack?

Ball socket weight = hitch jack weight X distance from wheel bearing shaft to hitch jack / distance from wheel bearing shaft to ball socket

This would reduce the hitch weight slightly.
I just lifted the trailer front jack stand onto my bathroom scale...it was not attached to the car
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Hi Jim: The important point is that you had no problems or sway. Having said that, the only way to get correct weights is to measure the weight of the trailer seperatly from the tow vehicle. When you are hitched up the tongue wieght will increase the rear wheel weight of the tow vehicle and decrease the front wheel weight.
Measuring the tongue weight as you did is a precise way of knowing the weight on the hitch but keep in mind this weight changes under driving conditions and can increase or decrrease dramaticaly as the vehicles "bounce" down the highway.

This is all just grist for the mill if you are haapy with the way your rig tows.

Happy trails, Ian
Thanks Ian...when I went to the truck stop scale, the auto was on one scale pad and the trailer was on a separate pad when they weighed it...the car weighed a little more than 4400 # and the trailer weighed in at 1440#

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