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Old 11-18-2012, 06:41 PM   #29
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Do either of you have the 2.5i? Or do you have the turbo/H6 versions? I am looking into Outbacks as we speak! I like how the 2.5i is a PZEV (partially zero emission vehicle even though that doesn't make much sense to me)
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:43 PM   #30
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So many things to consider. I too wanted a Toyota Tacoma, but the Old Bag nixed it, pointing out that in a few short years we would be too old and frail to climb up into the cab. Ended up with a RAV4 Sport ( 269 hp ). In my next life, I'm getting the Tacoma.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:43 PM   #31
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2.5i. 170hp and tq.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:46 PM   #32
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Forum app is goofy, can't edit. Anyway, I think the h6 or turbo would be a huge improvement for towing.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:50 PM   #33
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I am assuming your Legacy 2.5i, is the wagon? and not the Outback?
The link Andrew provides to the specifications indicate the model in question is the sedan: 2005 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Sedan 2.5L 4-cyl. AWD 5-speed Manual Features and Specs.

Per brakes:

It sounds like your trailer doesn't have them...I personally am of the opinion that brakes are a necessity for anything over 500 pounds, but I'm very conservative in that department.

However:
Most vehicle manufacturers give TWO tow limit numbers, one for a trailer with brakes and one without. In most smaller-tug cases the upper weight limit for an unbraked trailer is 1,000 pounds. I think Subaru is one such manufacturer. If so, you'll need brakes on the trailer if you choose the Legacy for your tow vehicle.

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It sounds like regular electric brakes may be difficult to install on a U-haul due to hub type... since you probably don't know the history of this trailer, I'd recommend having a trailer brake specialist take a look and tell you if it's possible.

Though surge brake parts may be available, in my opinion you'll be better off with electrics if it's at all practical. Surge brakes can't be actuated manually like electric brakes can, and I think manual activation to be a necessary safety/control mechanism.

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Old 11-18-2012, 06:54 PM   #34
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^^^^especially when already pushing the limits. I really don't believe in surge brakes, except maybe for boat trailers. Even then, electric over hydraulic is far superior.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:56 PM   #35
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I am going to ask on some Subaru forums and see if I can find anyone that tows with the 2.5i. For a daily driver/tug I'm not looking for a turbo, especially with towing since I think it will get the turbo going on the highway and then gas mileage will be terrible. And I believe the 3.0 and turbo versions both need premium gasoline, which is a small turn off. So I guess I will look into the compact trucks more.

I normally drive 75 on the highway but I was thinking more along the lines of 60 if I was towing.

If I can make it happen with the 2.5i I think it would be great. But it sounds like I need to do more research so I'll get on it. Thanks for all of the input so far, I really appreciate it.

^^Just saw the post about trailer brakes. Yes I would be having a professional install the electric brakes, I would not consider towing much if I did not have them.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:58 PM   #36
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......... Even then, electric over hydraulic is far superior.
Right, but then the cost is right around a new axle* with electric brakes.



*(which it probably needs after 27 years)
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:07 PM   #37
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60 is probably doable, but you'll have your foot in the throttle body for sure. I didn't want premium gas either, that's why I picked the 2.5i.

How far do you plan on towing it?
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:49 PM   #38
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I own a 2003 outback wagon 5sp manual and also had a 2001 Legacy wagon auto. I towed my 76 Ventura 13' trailer with both. The venture has a lot of frontal area and is not the lightest trailer out there. The difference between the outback and the legacy is the suspension and gearing with the outback for larger tires. The trailer hitch is the same for both. Mileage when towing is pretty bad at about 18-20 mpg. The auto would shift down quite often with either wind load or hills. The outback usually only needs to go to 4th gear on hills. Most of my driving is done at 95 kmh about 55mph. On either standard or auto you WILL need brakes on the trailer. I recommend a Prodigy brake controller for ease of use and setup. Both of my cars had disc brakes all around but some of the legacy l have drum brakes on the rear. A Boler or similar trailer should be just fine as it is more streamlined. Mine is pretty square.
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:39 PM   #39
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We have towed a 13' Scamp (2011, all fiberglass, no shower) with our 2008 Subaru Legacy Sedan (manual shift) for over 6,000 miles with no problem. We do have brakes on the trailer and had U-Haul install the car's tow package. The car now has about 90,000 miles on it. We have been very satisfies with the car as a tow vehicle. I have to mention, though, when you add the tow package the hitch is liable to scrape when going on a sharp incline such as a speed bump or parking lot entry because the car is already so low to the ground. If I were to choose a tow vehicle now I would choose the Outback because it rides higher. Good luck with your choice!
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What speed can you usually sustain, Gilda?
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:08 AM   #41
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Do either of you have the 2.5i? Or do you have the turbo/H6 versions?
My Outback is the 2.5i LTD 175 hp and 169 torque. It came with Stability Control & Traction Control which as I recall wasnt on some of the base models at the time. If you jump up to the turbo version your tow spec moves up to 3000 lbs but to be honest I would stick to a 13' trailer with it either way due to the tongue weight limit of 200.

No ground clearance issues at all. Have towed about 35,000 plus miles with it over the past 5 years - through deserts & over mountains (up to 10,000') - through snow and wind storms, no problems. Yes if you get into a wind the mpg will take a big hit but thats the same with any vehicle towing. On most trips of a 1000 miles or so through various terrains I average between 19 to 21 mpg and I am pulling a trailer that's on the heavy side - weighs in at 2550 lbs total. As I have ST tires on the trailer I keep my speed below 65 mph - even when running through states with higher speed limits.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:10 AM   #42
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Andrew,

The thread has taken a turn more focused on the tug but I would like to address the other issues as well.

First, I think it important to decide what you will tow with befor you purchase camper but befor you decide what tug to use you need to make certain of what you will be pulling. Don't take the camper at face value. Inspect the camper thouroughly and if possible take somebody else with FG camper experience with you. It would not be good to go to all of this trouble to decide about a tug and then find that the camper isn't what you thought it was. Sometimes PO add modifications that can add weight as well, which should be investigated.

I don't have anything to offer on the shower thing.

About the tug, If you are going to be purchasing a tow vehicle anyway, why cut it so close? I understand that one of the benefits of a small FG camper is a smaller tow vehicle and a gas savings, but you wont have controll over the weather and as many others here can attest, there will always be unforseen circumstances. If you are right at the edge of your tow capacity, taking a trip like that may be pretty risky.

All I am saying is don't just look at things on paper, go and investigate that camper thourougly befor you determine how much weight you will be pulling.

Best of luck,

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