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Old 02-22-2014, 07:04 PM   #29
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Your apples to my oranges, Carol....different applications go by different rules.

Those references ALL relate to chains used for load lifting- already excluded from this discussion. What we're lookin' for here is some reference that disputes U-Haul's assertion that twisting to shorten is perfectly acceptable for safety chains on trailers.
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What's your term for what the safety chains are doing when supporting the tongue, if not lifting? They may not be raising the tongue, but they are lifting, in the sense that they are keeping it off the ground.
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Yup they do indeed refer to load lifting. As I always assumed that if the trailer disconnects the chains will be carry the tongue weight load, and that along with the fact the chains load rating is impacted by the angle of the chains to start with .....

As I said it probable doesnt mean a lot to many of the light weight trailers here, but its just my preference to physically shorten them... not suggesting that everyone has to follow my lead.
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The next time any of us intend to "LIFT" or "SLING" our camper, take note of the warnings:

From the Peerless Industrial Group - Cautions and Warnings - Safety Check List: "Check #4 -Knots, Twists & Kinks Make sure chain is not twisted, knotted or kinked before lifting load. Slings should not be shortened with knots, bolts or other make-shift devices."

From Whitelaw Rigging and Fabrication: Allow Chain sling instructions. Reads in part: "General Usage - Certain factors in the use of lifting chain and attachments can be abusive and reduce the load that the chain or attachments can support. Some examples are twisting the chain......."

From Suncorstanless.com Chain Use : "Use slings with the proper reach (length). Never shorten a sling by knotting it, twisting, or with fasteners such as nuts and bolts. Lifting a load with twisted or knotted chains can impose loads in excess of rated capacity or spin the load dangerously."
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A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

Hopefully we can all agree on that.
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Old 02-22-2014, 08:08 PM   #34
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The next time any of us intend to "LIFT" or "SLING" our camper, take note of the warnings:

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I would sure hope that no one actually intends to have their trailer disconnect while driving along and have the full weight of the tongue load land in the sling the trailers safety chains form between the tug and the trailers hitch.
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The next time any of us intend to "LIFT" or "SLING" our camper, take note of the warnings:


But if simply hooking up to tow, feel free to twist to shorten, as recommended by the biggest trailer rental outfit in North America. This presumably with the full knowledge and approval of its Legions of Engineers, Lawyers, and Corporate Moneygrubbers frantic to avoid mishaps and of course any lawsuits that could arise therefrom.

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A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

Hopefully we can all agree on that.
LOL I suspect Roy we do but the real question is who really knows what the weakest link on their set up is?
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Let's take a look at the obvious here. If an accident involving a detached trailer happens if the chains are twisted the lawyers will find a way to blame twisting as part of the suit. On the other hand, if they are not twisted, they will find "an expert" to say they should have been. The problem is that the blame game has turned our legal system into a joke, e.g., put a cup of hot coffee between your legs, get burned, and it's someone else's fault. The point is that everyone has an opinion, yet in court it will not matter what Uhaul says or what the chain manufacturers say, it will be, for lack of a better term, a crap shoot. And finally, I have read a lot of borderline sarcastic responses on this thread and I'm not sure that sarcasm is helpful.
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"(3) Do not twist the safety chains to shorten their length"

http://www.fws.gov/policy/243fw5.html

Uhaul is the last place I would trust. Out of six rentals I've been involved with, only one didn't suffer from a severe lack of maintenance. I won't hook a uhaul trailer up to my vehicles, and I sure as hell won't drive one of their trucks.

Twisting a chain will always weaken it, why take the chance?
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There is a pretty simple way to shorten your chains up without cutting them should you use more than one tug and require longer chains than the other in order to get them to sling under the tongue in the event of a disconnect.

Purchase a turnbuckle and attach to the chain at the desired length and use the turn buckle to attach to the vehicle. Then add a carabiner to the loose end of the chain and clip it back onto the remaining chain so its not hanging down loose.
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I used a bungee to hold up excess chain. Probably not an acceptable method to some, but worked for me. Like Carol says, more than one tow vehicle, 4 actually and 7 trailers.
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I used a bungee to hold up excess chain. Probably not an acceptable method to some, but worked for me. Like Carol says, more than one tow vehicle, 4 actually and 7 trailers.
Have a hunch what holds up the excess is a none issue.... just as long as its not dragging and causing sparks.
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... just as long as its not dragging and causing sparks.
I've seen that more than once!!
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