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Old 07-16-2015, 08:37 PM   #85
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Ahhh Yes, the phenomenon of manufacturers towing limits being seen as only "suggestive". There appears to be exactly one hitch fabricator in the entire U.S. and Canada that takes this position.....
.......and isn't is amazing that the one hitch manufactures has such a high customer sat and respectable safety record. Could it be they know something you do not??
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Yep and millions of people are happy as can be with the brand of cigarettes that they smoke, but does that customer satisfaction make it a good idea either?
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We towed for 8 years all over North America with a Honda CRV rated for 1500 pounds in North America. We consciously decided to use the European rating for the CRV, over 3000 pounds.

We drove over 250,000 miles, probably half tow miles and never had a single issue towing or with the CRV, same clutch, never an engine problem./QUOTE]

Norm, since you are so good natured, I will use you as an example.

I think it would be more helpful to point out what you are/were towing when providing a testimonial.

Especially given most newbies fascination with the Casita 17. Many don't realize the weight (tongue weight in particular) inherent in a Casita 17 and the impact on a tow vehicle.

Many of us aren't careful to distinguish between 16 vs 17 or 2001 vs 2015 once the fingers start flying. These distinctions can make a significant difference.

Thanks for all your insight!

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Sorry Steve. I'm a relatively prolific poster and most know the story. I've towed 3 trailers all within a few hundred pounds. The lightest was a 1982 Sunline 15.5 2200/200, followed by a much heavier 1995 Casita 16 with, as I recall a 240 lb tongue weight and finally our 1991 Scamp 16 2600/200 . We have towed the Scamp the most.

All trailers had a bathroom. The Casita had a front mounted AC under the front closet. The Scamp 16 has an AC in the bottom of the closet. Our Scamp can be seen at the following link, more than you'll ever want to know, 49 pages.

WE were offered a good deal on a 1995 Casita 17 but decided against it because was too heavy for our Honda CRV. It would have meant buying a new Tow vehicle. The lack of a front window in the Casita 17 made the trailer seem smaller than our Scamp 16.

Our CRV was a 2004, 4 cylinder, manual transmission Honda CRV. No suspension modifications, no WD hitch.

Glad to answer any questions or expand on something I've posted. I admit to making assumptions and am often cryptic.
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Old 07-16-2015, 10:08 PM   #88
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Actually, yes indeed, this newbie admits to being really fascinated with the Casita 17. What a great looking product! And....I started this thread because I intend to get a TV with sufficient power and structural integrity to make a heavy Casita or Oliver work. This forum is unbelievably helpful. Thanks again to everyone.
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Old 07-17-2015, 09:09 AM   #89
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I have followed this and other threads on tow vehicles and also I ten d to agree with Norm and his assessment of the capabilities of the smaller TV, especially the VW TDI.
While only rated 140 hp. the torque is rated at 240 ft/ lbs and comes in at a very low rpm and this is what does all of the work, really.
Where gas engines may develop more horsepower it is at the high end of the rpm band and the engines are working hard to get there.
The VW Jetta Sportwagon is the same platform as the taller Tiguan (which has a gas engine and slushbox automatic transmission) and weighs slightly less.
The DSG gearbox is six speed with the top two overdrive ratio and it tows the Scamp 16 easily and runs about 2000 rpm at 65 mph. The mileage is around 25 mpg and the car shows no signs of any distress even towing in the hill country of Texas in 110* heat.
The whole idea of these small molded trailers is the ability to tow with a normal car and get reasonable fuel mileage and have less hassle in doing so.
I have just completed installation of the Westfalia tow hitch and stabilization / trailer light module as is standard in Europe in my wife's new TDI which we bought to augment the 2009 TDI with 240,000 miles. The old car did not have the trailer electronic module, but did have the towbar installed.
Evidently the worthies who decide if and how much a Euro car can tow in the US don'r understand the difference between us pounds and kilograms and seem to rate the vehicles the same number in the US pounds as Kilograms in the rest of the world!
Personally I can do the conversion with little outside help and my personal opinion is that with the electronic stabilization and electric brakes the car can easily and safely tow the Scamp. Especially since I have lengthened the distance from the axle to the hitch by about a foot and oriented the major weight nearer to the axle and lower in the trailer.
My Scamp will be heavier than the original (I think, but I haven't finished the rebuild so it is just a guess) because of the reinforced and lengthened frame and the all wood oak cabinets and bulkhead walls and revised front bath.
I can forsee no problems towing safely with the Euro setup at all. Actually the T-ESP will make corrections and steering guidance before the driver detects and react to the incipient swaying. Usually the experts suggest making no corrective steering inputs since the drivers reactions are usually too great and are delayed enough to be out of phase with what is required and makes matters worse than no input at all.
I looked into the Casitas and especially the 17' since the 16' is too low for my wife's comfort. However it is considerably heavier and has too high a tongue weight for my vehicle choice. The Scamp has the headroom and is lighter and the tongue weight can be kept within the limits I have set for operations.
I can make no suggestions for anyone else, but this will work for me. Your Mileage may vary and all of the standard disclaimers apply:

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Personally requiring a truck etc puts me out of the market for one of these light campers so that is a non-starter. If you run the cost up too high you might as well just drive a car and stay in a motel and eat in restaurants.
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We have heard the allegation earlier that the kgs. to lbs. conversion wasn't done and that the numbers were just carried over. But, if correct, that would only create a huge legal liability for VWofA as well as cut into sales, something that VWofA can ill afford.


Due to increased liability issues, Owners Manuals are now so carefully vetted before being released that I don't think that there is any real support for that claim.


And, as you pointed out, there are a lot of differences between the Euro version and the US version of your VW. Add to that, with much stricter towing laws and licensing regulations, not to mention stricter enforcement and penalties, the Europeans are bound enjoy higher towing weight limits.


As a point... Because there are places in the U.S. where a trailer can be legally towed at 80 MPH, is it no wonder that our towing limits are lower than Europe, where towing limits in some countries are more typically 80 KM/H (48 mph).


In Germany, only after taking 2 hours test, having a TUV inspection of both TV and Caravan, and about 70 euro's ($87 USD) can you get a special license to tow at 100KM/H..... Here's a reference:
Speed limits | Overseas Holidays | The Caravan Club
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RedBarron,

Please keep us updated on your excperience as you move forward. There are so many dimensions to towing, you can't experience them all yourself. I have always found the VW diesels appealing but I always gravitate to high volume boring gas models thinking that will get me lower long term maintenance cost. I look forward to living vicariously through you. Good luck with your experiment.
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RedBarron,

I have always found the VW diesels appealing but I always gravitate to high volume boring gas models thinking that will get me lower long term maintenance cost.
I feel somewhat the same way. These days the smaller gas engines performs really well and their reliability is great.
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Old 07-18-2015, 01:26 PM   #93
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I loved the simplicity of our four cylinder, manual transmission, 2.4 L gas engine 2004 Honda CRV. It never failed to get us and a 3 different 16 foot trailers up every severe mountain road including 18% gravel grades. It never required a driveline repair and outside of a couple of rubber boots, a fan, a thermostat, an oxygen sensor, and a brake rotor over 10 years and 250,000 miles.

I loved our gas powered Honda. When it came time to get a new one we tried to buy one of the new CRV diesels from Europe without success. We bought a Honda Odyssey as a result however it is much more complicated than our CRV hopefully as reliable.
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LP, interesting.... You can tow a Volvo with a motorcycle but as some have suggested it's a tough call whether or not to tow a small trailer with a Volvo.

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Once again, look at the number plates, that's apparently covered under the much more lenient European towing laws. However, wihout a special license and test, towing a vehicle with a motorcycle is limited to 10 Km/Hr. LOLOLOL
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George, a Grand Cherokee with 3.6L V6 or 3L turbodiesel would get good fuel economy, transport you in comfort, and enable you to go off-road. A new Laredo can be found for about $30K, or you can go all out for luxury and spend more.

If you like Toyotas, I've towed over 140,000 miles with my '08 Highlander. It now has 182,000 on the odometer and I've listed it for sale on CL (I bought a used Lexus GX 470). The HL was getting about 14 mpg with a 17' Burro in tow. 5000 lb. tow rating (max 500 lbs on the hitch weight). Not as thrifty as Tim's GC, but a capable and durable vehicle.
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Thanks for the suggestions, Michael. They all sound good.
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LP, interesting.... You can tow a Volvo with a motorcycle but as some have suggested it's a tough call whether or not to tow a small trailer with a Volvo.

Excellent thought! Perhaps I should begin a new thread exploring every possibility of towing whatever possible with our BMW R1200 RT.

Anyone have any info about WDH for the RT?

Oh, wait. That's the hubby's baby and he probably won't want to tow with THAT either! (I've looked at little cargo trailers we could tow with it and thus bring camping supplies and hair brushes, but again, who needs more than a board to sleep on and a crust of stale bread to eat?)
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