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Old 03-14-2015, 04:47 PM   #81
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Norm,
both of my Jeep Liberty models were rated 5000/500 lbs capacity. I had a 2006 Jeep Liberty CRD diesel which towed at 20 mpg and unhitched 28 mpg. My other 2012 Liberty had the v-6 gas engine and only got 15 mpg towing and 20 unhitched.
Jim,

Good information.

What did you tow when you owned the jeeps...sorry I don't remember.
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Old 03-14-2015, 05:05 PM   #82
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Tow Vehicle: 2003 Honda Odyssey
Engine: 3.7 liter V-6
Trailer: 1978 Fiber Stream 16'

Trailer weight:
  • 2006: 2620 lbs
  • 2012: 3300 lbs
Tongue Weight:
  • 2006: 200 lbs
  • 2012: 300 lbs
Mpg towing:
  • 2006: 16 average @ 55 mph
  • 2006: 9 @ 70 mph
  • 2012: 14 average @ 55 mph
Mpg not towing:
  • 2006: 24
  • 2012: 22
Typical towing speed:
  • 55 mph on cruise control (see mpg towing above)
Misc:
  • Weight Distribution Hitch (required by manf. for 3500 lb tow rating)
Manf. Tow rating (trailer weight/hitch weight)
  • without trailer brakes: 1000 lbs/10%
  • without weight distribution hitch: 1,850 lbs/10%
  • without anti-sway bar: 2000 lbs/10%
with ALL of the above and including the driver
  • 2 occupants: 3,500 lbs/10%
  • 3 occupants: 3,350 lbs/10%
  • 4 occupants: 3,200 lbs/10%
  • 5 occupants: 3,050 lbs/10%
  • 6 occupants: 2,900 lbs/10%
  • 7 occupants: 650 lbs/10% (rear GAWR limit)
... assuming each occupant weighs 150 lbs
Excellent detail for your 2003 Odyssey.

What caused the Fiberstream to "gain" so much weight? Thank you so much. I'm considering how I might link all this information.
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Old 03-14-2015, 06:47 PM   #83
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Jim,

Good information.

What did you tow when you owned the jeeps...sorry I don't remember.
I towed a Dutchman T@da and my Eggcamper with the diesel and I towed my Lance 1575 with the Liberty gas.
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Old 03-14-2015, 07:48 PM   #84
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Tow Vehicle: 2003 Honda Odyssey
Engine: 3.7 liter V-6...
Typo…? I don't think Honda has ever made a 3.7L. 3.5L, maybe?
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Old 03-15-2015, 12:34 AM   #85
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What caused the Fiber Stream to "gain" so much weight?
Added heavy stuff after the 2006 weigh-in:
  1. 2nd 2" x 2" frame sistered below the original frame.
  2. swing-out double step
  3. 2nd set of cushions to make the King size bed foam 8" thick (was 4" thick)
  4. roof air conditioner with "heat strip"
  5. Closet shelves
  6. Drawers between Fridge & Entry Door
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Old 03-15-2015, 07:15 AM   #86
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tow

TV Toyota Sequoia with 4.7 V-8 279hp weight 5100lb 6500 tow rating and
6800 lb tow rating with rear seats taken out .
mpg =Towing 60 mph = 14 Non-towing =15 city -19 hwy mpg


tow 2013 Lil Snoozy twin bed version not made anymore?
weight 2500 lb according to Factory tongue weight 185 lb according to Factory?
I think the tongue weight to be a little more ? Also with bikes and assorted camping gear probably closer to 3000 lb .This trailer tows so nice going about 55-65 mph Jim
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Old 03-15-2015, 11:48 AM   #87
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Thanks Jenny and Frederick.
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Old 03-15-2015, 01:00 PM   #88
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Jim not Jenny

Hi Norm My call sign is jennykatz(Jennifer Kathryn Daughter ) but my Name Is Jim Widmann
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Old 03-15-2015, 06:23 PM   #89
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Thanks Jim. I'll pay better attention.
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Old 03-16-2015, 06:29 AM   #90
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No worries I should change my call sign .I try to always sign off with Jim .
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Old 03-17-2015, 12:22 PM   #91
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2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee V6 gas
2011 Lil Snoozy 2850 # actual weight
24-25 mpg not towing
16-17 mpg towing


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Old 03-17-2015, 12:34 PM   #92
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Tow Vehicle: Jeep Grand Cherokee

Engine:3.6l V6 gas

Trailer: 2011 Lil Snoozy

Trailer weight: 2850

Tongue Weigh: 390

Mpg towing: 16-17

Mpg not towing:24-25

Typical towing speed:65

Misc: (adding things like wd, sway, air bags)jeep tow pkg has self leveling rear shocks

Manf. Tow rating (trailer weight/hitch weight) 6200#, 350# without WDH, 620 with WDH







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Old 03-17-2015, 01:00 PM   #93
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Thanks to all the Jeep members.


Update

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Old 03-17-2015, 03:51 PM   #94
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I have two vehicles I routinely tow the Scamp with.
Tow Vehicle 1: 04 Dodge Dakota quad cab
Engine 4.7 V-8 (5 sp auto trans)
Manf. Tow Rating 6100 lbs
Trailer 16' Scamp side dinette
Trailer Weight lbs 2640 total loaded for trip with with cold/hot water (320 tongue weight)
Towing Mpg 14.5
Non-tow Mpg 19
Typ Tow Speed 62
Misc No sway control or WDH
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Tow Vehicle 2: 08 Subaru Outback
Engine 2.5 4 cyl (4 sp auto trans)
Manf. Tow Rating 2700
Trailer 05 16' Scamp side dinette
Trailer Weight 2600 lbs total loaded for trip with with cold/hot water (210 tongue weight)
Towing Mpg 18.5
Non-tow Mpg 28
Typ Tow Speed 60
Misc I remove one of the propane tanks and shift weight rearward to reduce the tongue weight when using the Subaru. Sway control used with Subaru.
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We tow a 13" Scamp with a 2010 Subaru Forester, 2.5L 4 cyl. Trailer wt is 1500lbs, tow mpg = 17, non tow mpg= 27& towing speed is 58mph
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13' Scamp standard, no bath, A/C or water heater. Weight 1700 lb axle, 175lb tongue,
tow 2005 Dodge Dakota 4.7l Magnum.
15.3 mpg over the last almost 6000 miles. (going over several high mountain passes)
Tow speed between 55 mph and 60 mph.
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Old 03-18-2015, 05:53 AM   #97
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Update..Thanks for the info.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...6oSPkw/pubhtml
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Old 03-18-2015, 03:37 PM   #98
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2006 Volkswagen Jetta TDI (1.9L 4 cylinder Turbo Diesel - 5 spd manual)
1976 Trillium 1300
50 mpg (Canadian) not towing
30-35 mpg (Canadian) towing - have to verify though!
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Old 03-18-2015, 03:54 PM   #99
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VW Turbo Diesel

We now have a VW added to our list, a turbo diesel that gets the best mileage of the group towing, in the 30 mpg range. It has the smallest engine at 1.9L. Very impressive.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...6oSPkw/pubhtml
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We now have a VW added to our list, a turbo diesel that gets the best mileage of the group towing, in the 30 mpg range. It has the smallest engine at 1.9L. Very impressive.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...6oSPkw/pubhtml
Those are very good numbers Norm for the TDI. I like the way those German cars drive and would suspect that good road feel continues on even with trailer in tow.
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