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Old 03-03-2013, 08:21 AM   #43
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It is interesting reading all the banter regarding the "best" tow vehicle. What to do? SSR or not to SSR
To answer your question...... Mr T from Can AM recently made a statement you would be interested in reading.

"I see you have an SSR, easily the best handling and performing Chev truck I have ever towed with. Loved how it worked.
Andrew T "


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Just remember, if you show that to your dealer, they would void your vehicle's warranty.

I did just that to several customers when I was with manufacturers.
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Ya, I once heard of a guy who waxed his car and the manufacturer voided the paint warranty. I like to buy cars just out of warranty.
Less aggravations!
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Ya, I once heard of a guy who waxed his car and the manufacturer voided the paint warranty. I like to buy cars just out of warranty.
Less aggravations!
That is a possibility.

Newer cars use waterborne paints that are very sensitive to abrasion and chemicals. Some people purchase the extra clear coat and that has to season before waxing.

My 2008-2012 GM trucks all have tiny rust specs coming through the paint. They wash off, but always come back. Welcome to the new normal for automotive finishes.
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Just remember, if you show that to your dealer, they would void your vehicle's warranty.

I did just that to several customers when I was with manufacturers.
When I buy a car, it's mine. Besides, the warranty can not be voided, only a claim which violates the warranty conditions can be refused, and it must be shown that the claim relates directly to the damage.
Now a lease gives the seller some rights!
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When I buy a car, it's mine. Besides, the warranty can not be voided, only a claim which violates the warranty conditions can be refused, and it must be shown that the claim relates directly to the damage.
Now a lease gives the seller some rights!
Pulling a trailer over the vehicle's capacity is reason enough.

A dealer needs nothing more than the vehicle history (computer) and a technician's report. It is very easy to see what is abuse and what is a warranty repair.
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All dealers and manufacturer's are not the same.

Our local Infiniti dealer sells and installs high performance parts.

They are installing them on cars under warranty.

Make you wonder.
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Pulling a trailer over the vehicle's capacity is reason enough.

A dealer needs nothing more than the vehicle history (computer) and a technician's report. It is very easy to see what is abuse and what is a warranty repair.
I'm guessing you just didn't read what you just quoted. Refusing a claim and voiding a warranty are two entirely different things. Even when a claim is denied, the warranty remains in effect.

Mechanics are cheaper than lawyers or even arbitration and bad publicity.
A computer can do a lot today , but it still can't weigh a trailer or prove it was the cause of a failure.
Dealer's have very little incentive to deny a claim anyway, since that is their bread and butter and a sure payment.
I was a fleet mechanic in a former life and dealt with both warranties and horrific equipment abuse on a regular basis.
While extreme, provable, and obvious abuse can lead to a claim denial,it is rare and not cause for alarm for ordinary customers in the case of minor or unintentional warranty infractions.
Most towing is done long past any warranty anyway,so...
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All dealers and manufacturer's are not the same.

Our local Infiniti dealer sells and installs high performance parts.

They are installing them on cars under warranty.

Make you wonder.
When I was in the biz, dealers would stick aftermarket wheels and tires on our trucks and then file wheel vibration warranty claims. I shut that down when I did a tire radial / lateral run out test on one of their trucks on the lot and showed them their wheels / tires were crap.
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When I was in the biz, dealers would stick aftermarket wheels and tires on our trucks and then file wheel vibration warranty claims. I shut that down when I did a tire radial / lateral run out test on one of their trucks on the lot and showed them their wheels / tires were crap.
Interesting...I have never heard of tires being covered by a vehicle warranty, Although some dealers are also tire dealers and would cover them under their auspices.
Aftermarket wheels should be the same.
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Interesting...I have never heard of tires being covered by a vehicle warranty...
Tom didn't day anything about the tire warranty - tires are indeed the only components covered directly by the component manufacturer rather than the vehicle manufacturer - he referred to claims regarding wheel vibration (which would be covered by the vehicle manufacturer), for problems caused by inferior or inappropriate tires and wheels. If your mod causes the problem, your claim should be denied.

An acquaintance told me recently that he ran wider-than-stock wheels and tires on his car, then successfully claimed that the vehicle was defective because road debris damaged the paint on the rocker panels... when he took it in with the stock wheels and tires back in place. The manufacturer paid the dealer to install mudguards. There's a name for this sort of claim: fraud.

Use your stuff any way you want, as long as you don't endanger others or expect the rest of us to pay for failures caused by exceeding the intended capacity of the equipment.
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My SSR is out of warranty, so not a concern. My loaded scamp at 2800 only exceeds the 2500 pound rating by 300 pounds. The SSR frame is from a trailblazer which can tow more. The brakes, engine and transmission are all overkill. A GM engineer that worked on the SSR project claimed the towing limit was de-rated to 2500 due to the small air intake area and radiator area. The factory hitch mount is also only rated at 2500 # so that would need to be replaced with a suitable class receiver. There are several cooling system modifications that are available to aid in efficiency. Adjustable air springs in the rear could be employed to keep the rig level. I am still thinking about the lack of adequate mirrors. My first tank fuel mileage was 16MPG for mixed driving. I was having a little too much fun with the throttle! I would guess towing mpg will be around 13MPG.
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Tom didn't day anything about the tire warranty - tires are indeed the only components covered directly by the component manufacturer rather than the vehicle manufacturer - he referred to claims regarding wheel vibration (which would be covered by the vehicle manufacturer), for problems caused by inferior or inappropriate tires and wheels. If your mod causes the problem, your claim should be denied.

An acquaintance told me recently that he ran wider-than-stock wheels and tires on his car, then successfully claimed that the vehicle was defective because road debris damaged the paint on the rocker panels... when he took it in with the stock wheels and tires back in place. The manufacturer paid the dealer to install mudguards. There's a name for this sort of claim: fraud.

Use your stuff any way you want, as long as you don't endanger others or expect the rest of us to pay for failures caused by exceeding the intended capacity of the equipment.
Geesh! Of course he mentioned making warranty claims based on wheels and tires...
Quote..."dealers would stick aftermarket wheels and tires on our trucks and then file wheel vibration warranty claims."
Aftermarket components of any kind (including wheels) are at least one more item which is covered by the component manufacturer and not the vehicle manufacturer.
Use your stuff any way you want, as long as you don't endanger others or expect the rest of us to pay for failures caused by your failure to upgrade to a level needed for the task at hand, never operate beyond the capacity of the equipment or your own limitations. "Intended capacity" sounds a bit amorphous to me.
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When I was in the biz, dealers would stick aftermarket wheels and tires on our trucks and then file wheel vibration warranty claims. I shut that down when I did a tire radial / lateral run out test on one of their trucks on the lot and showed them their wheels / tires were crap.
That is fair and reasonable Thomas. I am with you in that case.
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