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Old 12-08-2018, 02:01 PM   #57
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As stated, the GM twins Colorado, and GMC would pull the Scamp 19 well. The Ford Ranger will most likely work well, although I hesitate to buy in the first year of production. Before I change trailers, We had a Scamp 19í and our Nissan was a near perfect tow vehicle. Ours is very comfortable, and has more than adequate power for towing. I towed with a Toyota Tacoma before the Nissan, and it worked quite well also.
Hi, the "new Ranger" that was designed in Oz has been around for years!! It just hasn't been available in North America!! 30% tariff or some such stupidity.

It's very popular in the other markets.. Unfortunately we won't get the working man's version just a sort of Sport Trac replacement at an Explorer price!!
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Old 12-08-2018, 02:28 PM   #58
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I use an 06 Tundra. It is easy to forget that the scamp is back there, rides and drives like a car.
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Old 12-08-2018, 03:44 PM   #59
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If you are going to consider a new vehicle what about the new Jeep PU?

I pull with a 2011 Tundra which does a great job. The older Tundras have a good reputation also, and have a smaller body.

I have needed to use my 4x4 at least 1x each camping season.
I had a 2007 Tundra and rue the day I ever sold it. It was absolutely the best pickup I ever had, driven, or rode in. Get a vintage V6, 2 wd, 4 door and you will never regret it.
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Old 12-08-2018, 03:54 PM   #60
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Hi, the "new Ranger" that was designed in Oz has been around for years!! It just hasn't been available in North America!! 30% tariff or some such stupidity.

It's very popular in the other markets.. Unfortunately we won't get the working man's version just a sort of Sport Trac replacement at an Explorer price!!
That is certainly a workhorsed opinion of a different color!
While it is not "Totoly" true and a bit of a "Strawman" argument, at least the "Wizards of Dearborn" got it back home to Kansas USA.


Unfortunately, like the movie, the non-OZ Rangers are mostly some version of black and white.


Every pusillanimous truck which crawls upon our roads has a computer... The Ranger returns with the (diploma) brain of EPA certification, "clocking in" with a strong mechanical heart, and the(Ford oval) badge of courage to reclaim its position as the American King of mid-sized trucks.
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Old 12-08-2018, 04:00 PM   #61
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We picked up a used 19' Scamp 5th wheel using a '99 Chevy 1500 that we inherited. We already felt ambivalent about the truck, but now it needs unexpected work so we're looking for something else. We're partial to Japanese vehicles, and want a mid-size pickup. The Honda Ridgeline has a goofy bed (and Scamp does not approve of using them) and the Toyota Tacoma has a composite bed, which hitch manufacturers recommend against installing in. I know that some people do this, but it looks like it's pretty difficult to do it right, and my local RV/trailer repair guy is sticking to general hitch guidelines.

That leaves me with the Nissan Frontier, which I'm just starting to research.

Anyone out there have experience with any of these three models towing the 5th wheel with advice or recommendations? We would want a crew cab and ideally 4x4.
We pulled our 19 deluxe with a 91 4.3 v6 S10 for 10 years with no mechanical issues. Worked good in central states but unsuitable for the mountains. Current rig is a GMC Canyon V6, 4 door, long bed. Pulled to Grand Canyon, Yellowstone and back home 5700 miles at 17mpg. Pulled up Medicine Wheel in Big Horn National Forrest. The GMC is One Tough Truck.
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Old 12-08-2018, 04:15 PM   #62
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The Scamp 5th wheel ranges from 2000 to 2600 lb empty. With the usual assortment of junk people put in them you can easily go 500 lb more. Ridgeline, Colorado, and Tacomas towing capacity starts at 3500 or so pounds and goes up I assume with the V6 option. If I were pulling that much weight I would want a V8.
FWIW, my gen2 2008 tacoma access cab 4x4 4.0L V6 has 6500 lbs tow capacity, and with the assistance of airbags did OK towing a 4500 lb Escape across the country. our main complaint was the gas mileage, and the limited payload on the truck for carrying additional gear (rated at 1200 lb total payload including driver/passengers and tongue weight), that and my wife decided she didn't really want to learn to drive a stick again... her last stickshift car was in the mid 80s, so we ended up with a ford diesel longbed that can haul our entire world with us and not even break out into a sweat.
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Old 12-08-2018, 04:25 PM   #63
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........and the limited payload on the truck for carrying additional gear (rated at 1200 lb total payload including driver/passengers and tongue weight).......
This is where Ford is currently the leader. An F150 with their heavy duty payload package (HDPP) can be had with up to 3,250 pound payload. Much more payload than is needed to pull a FG trailer, but really incredible. You do have to be careful, some fully loaded upper end F150s without the HDPP can have payload around 1,200 pounds. Saw a Nissan Titan with a Cummins diesel, nice truck! But the payload was only 1,300 pounds. They kind of missed the boat on that one.

I would expect the other US manufacturers to up their payload options in the next couple of years.

A four door truck with seating for 5 adults can come close to using up the entire payload.
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Yep, IMO payload should be at the top of any tow vehicle discussion. I was clueless and well into my second F150 before I even knew where to look for the rating. My truck only has 1440 lbs payload. Not many options but I might have been able to pick up another couple of hundred pounds if I'd thought to check. I certainly could have compared the weights of bed caps and liners, neither of which I did.
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Old 12-08-2018, 06:17 PM   #65
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For what it is worth I remember that Scamp themselves used or uses an older Ranger with the 3.0l V6 to deliver the 19er so..........
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Yep, IMO payload should be at the top of any tow vehicle discussion. I was clueless and well into my second F150 before I even knew where to look for the rating. My truck only has 1440 lbs payload. Not many options but I might have been able to pick up another couple of hundred pounds if I'd thought to check. I certainly could have compared the weights of bed caps and liners, neither of which I did.
To your premise...
A new Transit Connect with a normally aspirated 2.0L 4CYL automatic has a payload of 1570 pounds and a tow rating of 2000 pounds.

How does that compare to your F-150?
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Old 12-08-2018, 07:56 PM   #67
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Regarding payload;

Scamp fivers have a GVWR of 3500 pounds, so you would expect a pin weight between seven and eight hundred pounds.

Payload ratings are usually figured using a single 150 pound driver. But, since you, your wife, dogs, picnic basket, etc weigh more than that, you will have to add that additional weight to the pin weight to get your minimum requirement for truck payload.

Payload, rather than tow rating, is often the limiting factor when towing fifth wheel trailers.
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To your premise...
A new Transit Connect with a normally aspirated 2.0L 4CYL automatic has a payload of 1570 pounds and a tow rating of 2000 pounds.

How does that compare to your F-150?
Sorry, missing your point. Certainly wouldn't want to tow anything with that....
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Sorry, missing your point. Certainly wouldn't want to tow anything with that....
It would be hard to miss the point...
You said "IMO payload should be at the top of any tow vehicle discussion".


So far I have towed my Scamp about 6000 miles with my 2.5L Transit Connect, in perfect comfort, with good performance and excellent economy... Think "inside the box"!
Still, even though my Transit Connect has a greater payload than your F-150, I would not consider it to be the F-150's equal or better for towing... at least not above the Connect's 2000 pound tow rating.


Therefore,I'm just saying I would not put payload at the top of every tow vehicle discussion.
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Sorry, I'll try to make myself more clear. Tow capacity is readily available and generally the same among a line of vehicles. F150s, Transits, 4runners, etc. Easy to learn the tow capacity. Payload is often only shown on the specific vehicle door sticker. I couldn't find payload for my truck online, only a max. That is why it warrants discussion. I wouldn't be surprised if many here did not know the payload of their vehicles. Many people come here and ask about towing with marginal vehicles. All they know is that the tow rating is whatever. I'd say your particular vehicle is an anomaly. Heckuva payload but marginal tow rating.
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