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Old 12-06-2011, 08:38 PM   #29
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I'm not a truck guy, but must say I'm overwhelmed by $40,000 for any truck.

We drove a 4 year old, gas, Ford, V8, 7 ton, towing a 2 ton car, 32 foot Motorhome for 7 years, drove about 80,000 miles and probably spent about $40,000 for gas and the motorhome combined.

I never realized diesel trucks were so expensive...

Yikes... for me.
Norm, If i remember right my '07 Dodge Ram 3500 4door, 4x4, Big horn edition with the 6.7 Cummins Diesel came in around $39,000.00 new in '07. That's when I could afford such luxuries.
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:07 PM   #30
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I'm not a truck guy, but must say I'm overwhelmed by $40,000 for any truck.

We drove a 4 year old, gas, Ford, V8, 7 ton, towing a 2 ton car, 32 foot Motorhome for 7 years, drove about 80,000 miles and probably spent about $40,000 for gas and the motorhome combined.

I never realized diesel trucks were so expensive...

Yikes... for me.
Norm,
My little Tacoma was around 30K new (2007). I bought it used for 18K. You can actually spend way over 40K for a big loaded diesel truck. I share your disbelief though. The prospect makes me dizzy.
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:14 PM   #31
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At least we agree(except for Floyd) that the Ford offering in the Diesel truck market is not the one to plop down 40+ grand on.
Let's see how the sales figures shake out. If I were to even consider plopping down 40+ grand for a tow vehicle I might consider a new medium duty international truck.
I was a fleet mechanic for a major oil company,and when we called for Cummins service reps, they always showed up in Ford diesel service trucks.
That is until Cummins forced them into Dodges... You should have heard the wailing and gnashing of teeth!
Any of these trucks will be just fine if you take care of it and drive like an adult.
As for me, I have a Ford Ranger and I will never need a larger truck unless I decide to take my house on the road with me.My Scamp is just fine and has all the amenities I need. My Ranger is now eleven years old and has worked well for my car trailer, car dolly, and my travel trailer so far.
In fact I have begun to view it as a bit of overkill for my Scamp and often leave it home in favor of taking the Escape.
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Old 12-07-2011, 01:44 AM   #32
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Norm, If i remember right my '07 Dodge Ram 3500 4door, 4x4, Big horn edition with the 6.7 Cummins Diesel came in around $39,000.00 new in '07. That's when I could afford such luxuries.
Add another 20 or 30 thou to that amount for prices around here.......
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:13 AM   #33
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When we began RVing we knew nothing. We thought about buying a trailer but realized we'd have to buy a truck to tow it. A real truck cost as much as a used Motorhome, so we went with the Motorhome. Of course in retrospect I wish we had bought a small fiberglass trailer.

Unfortunately our minds were not ready for that order of downsizing a fiberglass trailer requires; at the time we thought fitting in to the Bounder was a big deal and so did most of our friends.

We've learned that the size of the RV hardly matters when compared to the fun.

I have a marvelous neice who would visit with us at the beach in the summer. It would not be unusual for her to go thru 3 outfits in a day as a young teen. In College she backpacked thru Europe and happily managed to live out of a backpack for a month. She relates now how 'stuff' and fun are not directly related.

We now live in a small cottage at the beach on 6000 square feet of land, formerly we lived in a big house with ton's of grass to cut and ...... The beach cottage is more fun, so much less to do.

As I age I'm trying to improve the fun to work ratio. I only wish, without regrets, that I had started earlier.

Have fun,
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:46 AM   #34
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The big problem is, like all new vehicles these day, it's almost impossible to get a base truck with the diesel engine. After packages K, L, X and F-Me... the diesel engine is over 12k more. That's why we are looking at used and possibly a new gas work truck.

Didn't Ford have Cummins engines in their MDT like the 650?

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Old 12-07-2011, 11:37 AM   #35
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Let's see how the sales figures shake out. If I were to even consider plopping down 40+ grand for a tow vehicle I might consider a new medium duty international truck.
I was a fleet mechanic for a major oil company,and when we called for Cummins service reps, they always showed up in Ford diesel service trucks.
That is until Cummins forced them into Dodges... You should have heard the wailing and gnashing of teeth!
Any of these trucks will be just fine if you take care of it and drive like an adult.
As for me, I have a Ford Ranger and I will never need a larger truck unless I decide to take my house on the road with me.My Scamp is just fine and has all the amenities I need. My Ranger is now eleven years old and has worked well for my car trailer, car dolly, and my travel trailer so far.
In fact I have begun to view it as a bit of overkill for my Scamp and often leave it home in favor of taking the Escape.
I have two fishing buddies , one has a 1999 Dodge diesel ,one has a 2000 Ford diesel . Both trucks have over 250 000 miles on them . both have had transmission work both are used for towing large 5th wheelers and both are still in service.
I agree with Floyd that if properly maintained and driven as intended that Ford, Dodge,GMC or Chevy will give it's owner good service
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:02 PM   #36
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The perfect truck would be what Toyota teased us with a couple of years ago, it went like this, If we built it would you buy it? It was a 1 ton Tundra, four doors, long bed, 8.3 Hino turbo Diesel with an exhaust brake, now that would be a truck.
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The perfect truck would be what Toyota teased us with a couple of years ago, it went like this, If we built it would you buy it? It was a 1 ton Tundra, four doors, long bed, 8.3 Hino turbo Diesel with an exhaust brake, now that would be a truck.

I'd stand in line for that one! (Of course the price would also factor into whether or not I'd pull out the checkbook once I got to the front of the line!!)

With a new GMC/Chev Duramax coming well over $70,000 around here and the Fords & Fiats priced at similar levels, you can see why my '92 is still my prime mover
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Old 12-09-2011, 09:07 PM   #38
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We are estimating our camper weight at it's maximum of 7500lbs
It looks like the dry weight of the Bigfoot is around 4,600 pounds. Even with some options and camping gear, I doubt you'll ever be close to 7,500 pounds. That's just the rating of the axle/tires. You'd have to put my Scamp 13... and another Scamp 13 in there to get it up to 7,500 pounds.

The biggest issue will be tongue weight. Sloppy trailer design yields a tongue weight over 600 pounds for that model. Kind of funny, when a Euro-style caravan of that same dry weight would have about a 200 pound tongue weight. That's a LOT of stress on the frame, coupler, hitch, and tow vehicle. Not that there aren't vehicles that can handle it... there certainly are. But that really is just sloppy engineering on Bigfoot's part.
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It looks like the dry weight of the Bigfoot is around 4,600 pounds. Even with some options and camping gear, I doubt you'll ever be close to 7,500 pounds. That's just the rating of the axle/tires. You'd have to put my Scamp 13... and another Scamp 13 in there to get it up to 7,500 pounds.

The biggest issue will be tongue weight. Sloppy trailer design yields a tongue weight over 600 pounds for that model. Kind of funny, when a Euro-style caravan of that same dry weight would have about a 200 pound tongue weight. That's a LOT of stress on the frame, coupler, hitch, and tow vehicle. Not that there aren't vehicles that can handle it... there certainly are. But that really is just sloppy engineering on Bigfoot's part.
The sticker on the inside cabinet states the camper is a little over 5400 lbs after factory installed options. I'm sure we'll add close to 1500lbs for full time use. IMO the heavy tongue is a smart design. After adding our stuff I don't expect it to increase that much due to the storage locations in the camper. If the tongue was lighter I think I would be hard pressed to get the 10-15% desired.

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When we began RVing we knew nothing. We thought about buying a trailer but realized we'd have to buy a truck to tow it. A real truck cost as much as a used Motorhome, so we went with the Motorhome. Of course in retrospect I wish we had bought a small fiberglass trailer.

Unfortunately our minds were not ready for that order of downsizing a fiberglass trailer requires; at the time we thought fitting in to the Bounder was a big deal and so did most of our friends.

We've learned that the size of the RV hardly matters when compared to the fun.

I have a marvelous neice who would visit with us at the beach in the summer. It would not be unusual for her to go thru 3 outfits in a day as a young teen. In College she backpacked thru Europe and happily managed to live out of a backpack for a month. She relates now how 'stuff' and fun are not directly related.

We now live in a small cottage at the beach on 6000 square feet of land, formerly we lived in a big house with ton's of grass to cut and ...... The beach cottage is more fun, so much less to do.

As I age I'm trying to improve the fun to work ratio. I only wish, without regrets, that I had started earlier.

Have fun,
Hi: honda04832... In other words...to soon old...to late smart!!! I'd like to reach the much more fun... to much less ado lifestyle too!!!
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Alf,

Other then today's rain there's not much to complain about after 10 years on the road. I guess it's the human condition to recognize that more was possible, not from the perspective of greed, but rather via more information and better choices.

I thing the Internet provides a wonderful path to more information which supports better choices. I know that we had a difficult time parting with our motorhome though we sold it in a day. The issue was it carried so many wonderful memories of far ranging trips, just as our Sunline trailer did and our Scamp will.

The first choice was to hit the road and we love it.

Safe 'Escapes' to you
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The sticker on the inside cabinet states the camper is a little over 5400 lbs after factory installed options. I'm sure we'll add close to 1500lbs for full time use. IMO the heavy tongue is a smart design. After adding our stuff I don't expect it to increase that much due to the storage locations in the camper. If the tongue was lighter I think I would be hard pressed to get the 10-15% desired.

-John
I suspect heavier tongue weights in the U.S. reflect the reality that we drive much longer distances at much higher speeds, and heavier tongue weights can help reduce sway, especially at high speed. Plus we like to tow heavy stuff with vehicles that maybe aren't so great at it (remember all the SUV rollovers a decade or so ago, when taller was better?)
Since Europeans generally tow with much smaller vehicles and they're generally not going as far, they're probably going a lot slower so sway isn't as much of a problem. Plus, heavier tongue weight serves to "idiot proof" the trailer somewhat, since it would be easy to offset 100 lbs. of tongue weight by loading behind the axle.
Regarding tow vehicles: I waited for a few years while Ford postponed the diesel F150 because I too wanted a reasonably priced diesel, and finally ended up with a diesel Touareg which I never could have afforded had I not found one that nobody wanted and the dealer just couldn't get rid of.
I think the ultimate tow vehicle might be a diesel-electric hybrid truck with diesel driving the front wheels and electric driving the rear. You'd get true AWD instead of near-useless 4WD and pretty good fuel economy, even while towing. We *love* our Fusion Hybrid but it's rated to tow exactly 0 pounds.
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