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Old 12-13-2011, 08:20 AM   #57
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John, the GMC 2500 Ext Cab 4x4 with gas 6.0 with 3.10 axle ratio may be a good choice. (GCWR of 20,500 lbs, giving a reserve of about 5000 lbs on the expected GCW.)

If you want perhaps we can look closer at the engine power curve, gearing, and power losses of altitude, grade, etc -- with the torque curve of this engine, the six speed transmission, and towing package it may be a good match with good reserve power.

Obviously with the 6.6 diesel you would have more than ample power, and given your expected miles driven & resale value, you could expect to recoup the initial cost of the diesel option.

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Thanks Mark. My main concerns with the gas engine are:

1) Will it be powerful enough to pull that load over the Rockies safely

2) Will it average 7mpg

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Old 12-13-2011, 09:56 AM   #58
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John, power should be fine and we can calculate that, but fuel mileage could be a real issue, here are some owner's comments:
2500hd 6.0l Gas Mileage. - GM-Trucks.com

A well specified Ford F150 with the 3.5L V6 EcoBoost would be an interesting gas truck to look at.

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Old 12-13-2011, 10:21 AM   #59
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Thanks Mark. My main concerns with the gas engine are:
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1) Will it be powerful enough to pull that load over the Rockies safely

2) Will it average 7mpg

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A gas engine will be powerful enough. We had a 17,000 lb motorhome towing a 4,000 lb car and criss crossed the country and continent three times and always had enough power to cross the Rockies and feel safe.

As well we put 100,000 miles on the engine/transmission without anything but minor repairs. It was a Ford V8.

As to mileage, I can't speak to mileage you'll get towing your Big Foot.
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Old 12-13-2011, 10:33 AM   #60
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John, power should be fine and we can calculate that, but fuel mileage could be a real issue, here are some owner's comments:
2500hd 6.0l Gas Mileage. - GM-Trucks.com

A well specified Ford F150 with the 3.5L V6 EcoBoost would be an interesting gas truck to look at.

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Alas, "well specified" is a thing of the past, now ya kinda have to take it as it comes, with a couple of color and trim choices.
Still... nice truck and reasonably versatile.
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A gas engine will be powerful enough. We had a 17,000 lb motorhome towing a 4,000 lb car and criss crossed the country and continent three times and always had enough power to cross the Rockies and feel safe.

As well we put 100,000 miles on the engine/transmission without anything but minor repairs. It was a Ford V8.

As to mileage, I can't speak to mileage you'll get towing your Big Foot.
Your mileage will be affected by both your BigFoot and your big foot.
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Old 12-13-2011, 10:45 AM   #62
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John, power should be fine and we can calculate that, but fuel mileage could be a real issue, here are some owner's comments:
2500hd 6.0l Gas Mileage. - GM-Trucks.com

A well specified Ford F150 with the 3.5L V6 EcoBoost would be an interesting gas truck to look at.

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Thanks. I've read that thread and also used fuelly.com to get estimates. I went to Ford several weeks ago to check out the 6.2L gas F250. They suggested I take a look at the EcoBoost 150. When I mentioned our weights they pulled together three "experts" (sales) guys. After deliberation they all agreed that we'd need to start with a 250 due to our loads.

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Old 12-13-2011, 10:55 AM   #63
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A gas engine will be powerful enough. We had a 17,000 lb motorhome towing a 4,000 lb car and criss crossed the country and continent three times and always had enough power to cross the Rockies and feel safe.

As well we put 100,000 miles on the engine/transmission without anything but minor repairs. It was a Ford V8.

As to mileage, I can't speak to mileage you'll get towing your Big Foot.
It's these times I wish I just bought things and didn't agonize over the details. I wonder if there are changes to the engines they put in motor homes.

Mandi keeps joking that I'm getting a truck for Christmas, so maybe she knows something I don't, or maybe she wants me to shut up!

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Old 12-13-2011, 11:08 AM   #64
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Your mileage will be affected by both your BigFoot and your big foot.
Yup, punch that pedal to move that land sail! I expect to drive conservatively since we shouldn't have any place to be. I'm hoping a camper top on the truck may help the drag a little.

I agree on well specified. More like, "all we have are base trucks with no engines, seats, or wiring and gold plated ones that you can drive home today." When you try to apply their configuration algorithm to build the truck that can perform those feats they tout, the system bans you for life after un-friending you.

Today's automotive purchasing experience is only slightly different than yesterday's. Instead of smoke and mirrors it's actuarial physics and vommit.

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Old 12-13-2011, 08:38 PM   #65
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If it was a v-8 Ford, I'm guessing it was a big block 460, my buddy in Texas has one with a Chevy 454 big block. Again that is just a guess. Ford also used some of those v-10 engines several years ago.
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Old 12-14-2011, 09:58 PM   #66
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John, regarding the Ford F-150 Eco-Boost 3.5L turbocharged gas V6, it is tricky to spec for the maximum possible capacities. A 4x4 SuperCab can be had with a GVWR of 8200 lbs (it must be the long bed with "Max" Trailer Tow Package). The GCWR would be 17,100 lbs, max trailer weight of 11,200 with a max 1,130 lb hitch weight.

First look indicates the loads you expect would be within the Max Payload of 2,440 lbs and within front & rear axle weight ratings.

I can provide details on this and/or other trucks you might consider.

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Old 12-15-2011, 08:22 AM   #67
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John, regarding the Ford F-150 Eco-Boost 3.5L turbocharged gas V6, it is tricky to spec for the maximum possible capacities. A 4x4 SuperCab can be had with a GVWR of 8200 lbs (it must be the long bed with "Max" Trailer Tow Package). The GCWR would be 17,100 lbs, max trailer weight of 11,200 with a max 1,130 lb hitch weight.

First look indicates the loads you expect would be within the Max Payload of 2,440 lbs and within front & rear axle weight ratings.

I can provide details on this and/or other trucks you might consider.

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I looked at the Ford online again. It would be close. I'm not sure what the Heavy Duty Payload package entails but my mind has a mental block to working a 1/2 ton that hard. Do you think I could get 10 years out of that set-up?

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Old 12-15-2011, 03:56 PM   #68
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I understand your concern regarding the "1/2 ton size". Capabilities have grown above the short hand "pecking order" nominal ton-ratings. The 8200 lb GVWR puts this F-150 (as equipped) in GVWR Class 2, 1-Ton rating. The F-250s have a min GVWR of 9400 lbs (1-Ton) and up, but the payload capacity *can* be as little as 2200 lbs (F-250 CrewCab 4x4, 172WB, 6.7L).

Key elements in the "Max" towing package for the F-150 include: Sway & Brake Control, 7 pin harness with 7/4 pin connector, Auxiliary Transmission Cooler, HD Radiator, Class 4 equalizing hitch (11,300 lb max trailer / 1,130 max tongue wt).

I would not expect chassis or suspension failure over 10 years & 150,000 miles while staying within rated weight limits (assuming any appropriate care / maintenance). Logic may dictate a smaller displacement, more fuel efficient, engine would be under greater stress than a larger displacement engine for a given power range. Real differences in life expectancy & reliability would be harder to project.

I mention the F-150 Eco-Boost as an efficient possibility -- about as svelte as you would go, while within load & power requirements.

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Old 12-15-2011, 07:57 PM   #69
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Thanks again. I 'm going to ask my BIL how his 150 is holding up under a constant 1000lb load. He has the 5.4 so his mileage will be different but the normal wear and tear should be similar. Speaking of mileage I have found the Eco Boost numbers to not be what Ford claims. They're only slightly better than the 6.0 in the GMC. I'm trying find someone who tows a comparable load.

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Old 12-16-2011, 12:48 PM   #70
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John, I would expect the V6 turbo might get similar gas mileage to the V8 at larger throttle openings & more extreme power demands.

The smaller displacement V6 will get better gas mileage under less demanding power needs, such as much of your 1/3 non-towing miles, and also any less demanding towing miles.

They may not be indicative of the mileage you get, but EPA estimates would give a good comparison for those less demanding miles.

Unfortunately (non-fleet) comparisons of real-world fuel mileage under load would be compromised by variables including; vehicle options, weights, resistances, terrain, temperature, altitude, and gas blend.

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