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Old 04-15-2014, 10:55 AM   #29
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Originally Posted by Francesca Knowles View Post

Well, I wondered...

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"me and my wife of forty years dance outside the trailer" post wa-a-a-y back when. Still brings tears to my eyes when I think about it.'s the gas mileage at that blistering 58mph, anyway? ...........
Thank you for the kind words...

With the 2.3L Escape on a 5800 mile trip through every type of fowl weather and including driving over the Rockies to Oregon and back, our trip average was 22.8MPG.
Driving in the Midwest in summer weather and driving on our yearly pilgrimage to Florida, we regularly get around 24MPG and often more, even reaching 26 on occasion.
As we approach 65MPH though, the fuel mileage starts to suffer dramatically sometimes even dipping below 20.

In contrast.... My 4.0L Ranger pretty much ignores the trailer and averages about 17MPG when towing with little regard to speed or weather conditions, within reason.
(We do best with the Ranger at 63-65MPH.)

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Old 04-15-2014, 04:37 PM   #30
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hi folks,

thanks for the great replies, I've spoken with my local Toyota dealer. The service manager said that I would be okay, although I shouldn't load the trailer up to much with stuff, no full water tanks, and so forth. And don't go too far, monitor the engine temp. He also indicated that I didn't need a transmission cooler because the rav4's transmission cooler is heavy duty from the factory. I towed an 8' tent trailer last year that was 1400 lbs with the rav4. I didn't like it, not because the vehicle didn't do well, I thought the rav4 did very well. What I didn't like was how much the trailer bounced when I went over bumps and the resulting push/pull as the trailer hit the road again. I am not a trailer expert but I believe this was due to the suspension being not loaded on the trailer. The suspension was a leaf spring design which is the same as my utility trailer. When my utility trailer is empty it bounces a fair bit which is I believe to be the same as what the tent trailer did last year. Anyone have the "bouncing problem" with their travel trailer?

I had the exact same experience with my tent trailer and bought a 13' Scamp which I pull with a 4 cylinder Rav4. I put brakes on the Scamp, installed a brake controller, and a transmission cooler for good measure ($200 bucks). No problems so far after towing well over 5,000 miles. You are nearing the "maximum limits," but should not be over.

I average around 19 MPG while towing which is about the same efficiency as many TVs with no trailer! I pull it up I70 coming out of Denver regularly in the summer. That is just about the longest steepest high climb you can get from 5,000 up to 11,000. Very steepest point I slow to around 40, but most of it can be done at 50 or more. I don't like the revs to go much over 3500 rpm.

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Old 04-15-2014, 05:34 PM   #31
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How about taking the 'liability' discussion to another thread? It's sorta tangential to the OP's questions.

Wow, I think Kevin kind of nailed it, seeing how he is doing exactly what the OP wants to do. That was a good post, Kevin.

About the trailer bounce... you'll never eliminate that completely. But it can be reduced. If heavier rear springs are available aftermarket, that can help. None were made for my Highlander, so I bought an Andersen No-Sway hitch and it took away about 80% of the jiggles and porpoise motions. The Andersen isn't made for a class 2 receiver, not sure if the Rav4 has a class 2 or 3.... but other weight distributing hitches with spring bars would act similarly.
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Old 04-15-2014, 06:17 PM   #32
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Hi folks,

Thanks for your advice, the legal conversation was interesting, although I'm not a lawyer so I can't comment. I was very discouraged on Saturday after looking at some trucks (Toyota) and finding out they were very expensive, but today I got home and opened my paper. Apparently I had never noticed the Ford ads. I can get an F150 STX with a 3.7L V6 extended cab well within my budget (Love Toyota, but the trucks are TOO MUCH $). This means my wife and I will go back to looking at the Scamp 19' fifth wheel which I believe will fit my family much better. I wish to thank you all for your input and I will keep all of your information in mind as I continue to learn more about fiberglass RVs.

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Old 04-15-2014, 07:12 PM   #33
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About almost everything there is a caveat emptor:

"Some" of the newer trucks have very bed high sides that "May" create clearance issues with the 19' Scamps and some other 5th wheel trailers. As a precaution, I suggest that you contact Scamp and ask them if they have any information about fitment to that vehicle.

As some Chinese guy may have said: Better to have Heads-Up, than get caught with head in sand.....

As you may notice, I use the term "May" a lot in my posts.
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Old 04-15-2014, 08:51 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by Mike Magee View Post
How about taking the 'liability' discussion to another thread? It's sorta tangential to the OP's questions.
Good idea, Mike Magee! The liability issues have been moved to a new thread called Liability and overweight towing...
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Old 04-15-2014, 10:06 PM   #35
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Jared, the F150s and Tundras and Rams and Silverados all tend to get discounted very heavily to stay competitive with each other. If the bed side height turns out to be problematic with the Scamp gooseneck, you still could look at the other brands. I've seen TV commercials featuring steeply discounted Tundras, so you may be able to stay with Toyota.

With a hitch in the middle of a truck bed, you don't get anywhere near as much bouncing, plus virtually no chance of sway.
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Old 04-16-2014, 08:24 AM   #36
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I believe a 3" raised axle is a Scamp option on the 19' to accommodate the higher bed walls on newer full-size trucks. I'd check with Scamp regarding your intended TV. I notice some ads mention the axle and if not you can check with the seller. Good luck with your search!

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