Towing a Scamp 13 with a 4cyl Subaru - Fiberglass RV


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 12-19-2006, 10:59 AM   #1
Junior Member
 
Trailer: Scamp 13 ft
Posts: 5
I have a Subaru Baja (basically an Outback that has been re-designed to be a little truck) with a 4 cylinder automatic transmission and thinking about buying a Scamp 13, no bathroom,no a/c. I would like to hear from people towing a Casita or Scamp with a Subaru and did you add a transmission cooler ? And if you did add the cooler did the dealer install it?
Thanks,
Jimmy
__________________

__________________
jimmy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2006, 11:14 AM   #2
Senior Member
 
jack maloney's Avatar
 
Trailer: 1986 U-Haul CT13 ft
Posts: 494
I have towed my UHaul 13 footer coast-to-coast with a 4 cylinder stick shift '98 Outback, no oil cooler, and no problems.
__________________

__________________
jack maloney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2006, 01:48 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Brian B-P's Avatar
 
Name: Brian
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Alberta
Posts: 5,000
There are not a lot of big differences between a Baja and Legacy or Outback, so I assume that with proper equipment they would be somewhat comparable as tow vehicles. The 2006 Outback is listed in the brochure from Subaru's U.S. website with a towing capacity of 2700 lb (2.5L 4-cyl) to 3000 lb (3.0L 6-cyl), while the Baja is available with only the smaller of the two sizes (the 2.5L 4-cyl in two versions) and lists a towing capacity of 2400 lb.

I think that there are two factors limiting the Baja's towing capacity:
  1. engine - only the larger engine is allowed the 3000 lb capacity, presumably for durability reasons
  2. rear overhang - although the Baja is on a very slightly shorter wheelbase than the Outback, it is 150 mm (6") longer, all in extra rear overhang, placing the hitch further back and causing more weight transfer and control issues, limiting capacity to 2400 lb instead of 2700 lb
Even 2400 lb seems like lots for a trailer which should be only 60% of that weight when loaded; however, the total loaded weight of the car and trailer (with passengers, luggage, and trailer cargo) must be considered against the Baja's Gross Combined Weight Rating (which is not given in the brochure).

What would be interesting would be to see someone tow a gooseneck or "fifth-wheel" with one of these micro-pickups... although only a true gooseneck would avoid problems with cab/trailer interference. The extra rear overhang wouldn't matter because the hitch would be over the axle anyway.

Jimmy, what is the maximum trailer rating for your specific Baja, as it is equipped?
__________________
1979 Boler B1700RGH, pulled by 2004 Toyota Sienna LE 2WD
Information is good. Lack of information is not so good, but misinformation is much worse. Check facts, and apply common sense liberally.
STATUS: No longer active in forum.
Brian B-P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2006, 05:44 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
Pete Dumbleton's Avatar
 
Trailer: Scamp
Posts: 3,072
Send a message via Yahoo to Pete Dumbleton
Quote:
I have towed my UHaul 13 footer coast-to-coast with a 4 cylinder stick shift '98 Outback, no oil cooler, and no problems.
Generally, one doesn't need a transmission cooler with a stick shift because the transmission oil and the components aren't as temperature sensitive as are automatic transmissions -- I said generally because there might be something out there with a need for cooling a manual transmission, but I have yet to stumble across it
__________________
Pete Dumbleton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2006, 06:51 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
Brian B-P's Avatar
 
Name: Brian
Trailer: Boler (B1700RGH) 1979
Alberta
Posts: 5,000
I agree that conventional manual transmissions don't heat up like automatics, because fluids are only used for lubrication, not for power transmission as with the torque converter of an automatic. This means the manuals don't generally need a cooler, even when towing, although race cars often use coolers for both transmission oil and differential oil.

According to the Subaru brochure, both manual and (both types of ) automatic transmissions use some sort of clutch mechanism to control the distribution of power in the all-wheel-drive system; in the Baja's manual transmission, it is a viscous coupling as a slip limiter on the centre differential. This could dissipate significant heat under some conditions, so cooling could be a concern even with the manual.

The 2006 Baja brochure doesn't list an optional package, or a restriction on towing capacity based on transmission type or equipment, so it seems like Subaru has not assessed transmission cooling as the limiting factor for towing.
__________________
1979 Boler B1700RGH, pulled by 2004 Toyota Sienna LE 2WD
Information is good. Lack of information is not so good, but misinformation is much worse. Check facts, and apply common sense liberally.
STATUS: No longer active in forum.
Brian B-P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2006, 08:20 PM   #6
Junior Member
 
Trailer: Scamp 13 ft
Posts: 5
Quote:
There are not a lot of big differences between a Baja and Legacy or Outback, so I assume that with proper equipment they would be somewhat comparable as tow vehicles. The 2006 Outback is listed in the brochure from Subaru's U.S. website with a towing capacity of 2700 lb (2.5L 4-cyl) to 3000 lb (3.0L 6-cyl), while the Baja is available with only the smaller of the two sizes (the 2.5L 4-cyl in two versions) and lists a towing capacity of 2400 lb.

I think that there are two factors limiting the Baja's towing capacity:
  1. engine - only the larger engine is allowed the 3000 lb capacity, presumably for durability reasons
  2. rear overhang - although the Baja is on a very slightly shorter wheelbase than the Outback, it is 150 mm (6") longer, all in extra rear overhang, placing the hitch further back and causing more weight transfer and control issues, limiting capacity to 2400 lb instead of 2700 lb
Even 2400 lb seems like lots for a trailer which should be only 60% of that weight when loaded; however, the total loaded weight of the car and trailer (with passengers, luggage, and trailer cargo) must be considered against the Baja's Gross Combined Weight Rating (which is not given in the brochure).

What would be interesting would be to see someone tow a gooseneck or "fifth-wheel" with one of these micro-pickups... although only a true gooseneck would avoid problems with cab/trailer interference. The extra rear overhang wouldn't matter because the hitch would be over the axle anyway.

Jimmy, what is the maximum trailer rating for your specific Baja, as it is equipped?
The tow rating is 2400# and the Subaru dealer says it already has a transmission cooler on it from the factory. He also said I shouldn't have a problem. thanks.
__________________
jimmy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2006, 10:59 PM   #7
Member
 
Christi W's Avatar
 
Trailer: 1987 17 ft Burro
Posts: 95
Hi -
On this same thread, how about the same Baja with the larger Burro? It doesn't have a bathroom but I'm not sure what it weighs. Also, just removed the propane furnace. It had a crack in the exhaust somewhere and kept setting off the CO monitor!! We're using a small porcelain electric.

We have a Jeep that I am sure can tow it, but we sure love the Baja Thanks, Christi
__________________
Christi W is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2006, 06:08 AM   #8
Senior Member
 
Roger H's Avatar
 
Name: Roger
Trailer: Y2K6 Born Free 32RQ on the Kodiak chassis, 1995 Coachmen 19' B-van and 1996 Precision 21' Sailboat
Iowa
Posts: 5,000
Christi, I just dug out my old Burro advertising for the 1998 models. The advertised dry weight on the 17' was 1500 lbs with a tongue weight of 125 lbs without options. A realistic tongue weight with a type 27 deep cycle RV battery and a single 20 lb propane tank would be closer to 200 lbs empty. If you have dual tanks and a reasonable load in the trailer, 250lbs would be more reasonable yet for a tongue weight. I'd guess that your Burro, loaded up (without the bath) and ready to go would be in the neighborhood of 2000-2200 lbs. The only way to know for sure is to take it out and weigh it. THEN you can compare that weight against the figures listed in your owner's manual on the Subaru and make a good decision about it's ability to tow your trailer.

If your Baja has a 2400 lb towing limit, pushing it that closely probably isn't a really good idea if you're going to tow any distance or over any kind of difficult terrain at all. Once again, dragging it around is easy. I can (and do) drag my 3000 lb Bigfoot around with my garden tractor. Stopping and maneuvering at speed with a trailer that weighs nearly as much as the tow vehicle is a different issue altogether.

Be safe!

Roger
__________________
Roger H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2006, 09:34 AM   #9
Member
 
Christi W's Avatar
 
Trailer: 1987 17 ft Burro
Posts: 95
Roger,
Thanks a lot. That helps me to put some figures together. I actually have dual tanks on the back and no battery, so I'm expectiing to have to put everything inside up front when we travel to increase the tongue weight. Otherwise, I think I'll have a bouncy problem!! Christi P.S. 4:08 A.M.? - I wouldn't be digging for anything except an extra blanket!!
__________________
Christi W is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2006, 11:50 AM   #10
Junior Member
 
Trailer: Scamp 13 ft
Posts: 1
Sounds like the only thing you need is the Scamp and away you go. Good luck BTW this is kind of a test for me because I haven't used this forum before.

Quote:
The tow rating is 2400# and the Subaru dealer says it already has a transmission cooler on it from the factory. He also said I shouldn't have a problem. thanks.
__________________
jerome r is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2006, 12:01 PM   #11
Junior Member
 
Trailer: Scamp 13 ft
Posts: 5
Quote:
Sounds like the only thing you need is the Scamp and away you go. Good luck BTW this is kind of a test for me because I haven't used this forum before.

Thanks to all who replied. We've now got a 13 on order and are looking forward to some new adventures. Jimmy.
__________________
jimmy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2006, 10:24 AM   #12
Member
 
Trailer: 13 ft U-Haul
Posts: 84
Quote:
The tow rating is 2400# and the Subaru dealer says it already has a transmission cooler on it from the factory. He also said I shouldn't have a problem. thanks.
All cars with an automatic transmission have a trans-line that runs into (and thru) the bottom of your radiator and then back into the tranny. That's your typical stock transmission cooling system. Towing a 1,300 lb trailer with a vehicle that's rated @ 2,400 lb capacity should be absolutely no problem whatsoever.

I'm pulling a 1,250 lb U-Haul with a 4-cylinder Honda Element that has a 1,500 lb max towing capability. The U-Hual pulls easily, despite the fact that I'm very near my maximum weight limit with me in the driver's seat of the Element. I added an external heavy-duty U-Haul transmission cooler to our Element a few years ago and pulled our popup camper all over the Midwest and East coast with no problems at all. An aftermarket trans cooler is never a bad investment. However, you're so far under your weight limit that it doesn't seem neccesary unless you just want peace of mind. They say that adding an external trans cooler can double the life of your transmission even if you never tow anything with your vehicle. That's something to consider.
__________________
Buck62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2006, 12:11 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
Doug Mager's Avatar
 
Trailer: 1975 13 ft Trillium
Posts: 2,536
Registry
Speaking of towing with a 4 cylinder, heres a Pinto powered (4 cylinder with auto) that tows an Escape....
Attached Images
 
__________________
Doug Mager is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2006, 09:48 PM   #14
Senior Member
 
Trailer: 1991 16 ft Casita Freedom Deluxe
Posts: 251
Quote:
All cars with an automatic transmission have a trans-line that runs into (and thru) the bottom of your radiator and then back into the tranny.
Well.... almost all cars do.

One of Dad's many VW Squarebacks with an auto did not.
__________________

__________________
Lee Hillsgrove is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
scamp


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Subaru Outback Towing a 16' Scamp? Parker Buckley Towing, Hitching, Axles and Running Gear 51 11-04-2011 11:04 AM
Towing with a Subaru Outback james cronn Towing, Hitching, Axles and Running Gear 0 04-16-2009 04:13 PM
More Subaru Forester Towing Questions Michelle A Towing, Hitching, Axles and Running Gear 12 04-04-2009 11:18 PM
towing a 13' burro with a Subaru Forester Pamela H Towing, Hitching, Axles and Running Gear 5 07-23-2008 09:15 AM
Requests info re: Subaru towing capabilities Legacy Posts Problem Solving | Owners Helping Owners 8 05-07-2003 12:31 PM

» Upcoming Events
No events scheduled in
the next 465 days.
» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:21 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.