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Old 05-11-2012, 04:42 PM   #29
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Here's a video for those who like to think that small fiberglass trailers & tow vechiles dont often have serious accidents. Hopefully no one was hurt - based on the amount of traffic on that highway they were lucky not to have been hit by someone else.

Carol, I honestly haven't seen anyone on this site even suggest that small fiberglass trailers don't have accidents...
John I didn't actually say that anyone had - but stick around you never know someone might ;-))

Isn't funny how two people can read the same thing and come away with a totally different idea as to what was written actually means. Time and time again when the topic of safe towing comes up here, someone will pointing out that more trailer accidents involve big tow vehicles or commercial trailers, which depending on how you choose to read it could be taken by some to mean that small tow vehicles don't have as high a chance of an accident as the big guys do so those towing with one need not worry about having an accident as much & can go ahead a push the envelope a little. Or if you are like me you could read it and take from it that the bigger number of accidents reported by big tow vehicles &/or commercial trailers is nothing more than the law of percentages - way more commercial trailers and big trucks towing vs little cars towing little travel trailers.

I agree Norm that threads promoting good towing practices are a good ones and I *really* do appreciate your effort. I actually thought you might enjoy having a safe towing tip video which is done with a bit of humor! The tips in the video are all good valid towing tips - regardless of the size of the vehicle they used to make the video.
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Carol,

Thanks for the kind words on good towing practices. I have made a long list of topics that should be under good towing practices that I will post.

I hope people will focus on each topic and not try to load it with distracting side thoughts. My goal is to be as analytic as possible. I'm not sure if I should create an individual thread on each item or put them in a single thread.

Though travel trailer accidents seem relatively rare, certainly compared to the 100's of thousands of vehicle accidents and 10's of thousand fatal vechile accidents, there is no reason not to be as safe as practical.

In our 11 years of travel I have seen numerous cases of improper setups and I am no expert. The unfortunate reality is the information required for safe towing is scattered and difficult to accumulate.

I have company for a few days but after that I'll create a thread titled good towing practices.
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Something else to consider is a lock on your hitch. It is possible for someone to unlock your hitch in a parking lot and you may not notice it until it is too late. Lock it as a safety measure.
I also lock my hitch,not so much as a theft deterent,but just to make sure it doesn't come loose going over a curb(driveway) or a bump.I drove long haul truck for over 25 years,and safety is always my biggest concern.I stop every couple of hours and walk around,checking temps on the wheel bearings,and using it as an excuse to get rid of excess coffee...
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Carol,

Thanks for the kind words on good towing practices. I have made a long list of topics that should be under good towing practices that I will post.

I hope people will focus on each topic and not try to load it with distracting side thoughts. My goal is to be as analytic as possible. I'm not sure if I should create an individual thread on each item or put them in a single thread.

Though travel trailer accidents seem relatively rare, certainly compared to the 100's of thousands of vehicle accidents and 10's of thousand fatal vechile accidents, there is no reason not to be as safe as practical.

In our 11 years of travel I have seen numerous cases of improper setups and I am no expert. The unfortunate reality is the information required for safe towing is scattered and difficult to accumulate.

I have company for a few days but after that I'll create a thread titled good towing practices.
While that would be a great idea, I'm concerned that it would soon degenerate into a typical Big Brother sez... "Do as yor told and nobody gets hurt" diatribe.
Even a small child learns very little from a parent who can only say... "Because I said, that's why!!"
"There ought to be a law"(snark,snark) that... "Good towing practices" should be discussed and encouraged because they enhance the enjoyment and safety of towing and not for the purpose of intimidation.
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"Good towing practices" should be discussed and encouraged because they enhance the enjoyment and safety of towing and not for the purpose of intimidation.
I wholeheartedly agree.

I suggest we each limit our posts to our own experience, as in "I did this" or "I saw (or read) that" and refrain from "YOU should do this, because I saw (or read) that."
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Even with the best intentions and what was thought to be good practices bad things can happen.
Breakaway switches come to mind. A while, maybe 3 or 4 years ago, there was couple on this very forum that didn't make sure the breakaway switch cable was positions so that it wouldn't cause a problem. It was hanging down beside the safety chains. The driver got onto the shoulder where there was some brush. Yup, the breakaway cable caught the brush and applied the brakes on the trailer. As I remember both the trailer and tow vehicle ended up upside down. After hearing about that one I did some internet searching and found this.
I now have one the coiled cables and it stays up out of the way stuff.
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I suggest we each limit our posts to our own experience, as in "I did this" or "I saw (or read) that" and refrain from "YOU should do this, because I saw (or read) that."


Ummmm..... Excuse me, sir, - but I seem to think that it was the "I did this" approach that got us into a back-alley catfight last time.

If I may have the liberty to speak freely, I'd suggest that an approach based on rules and regulations, safe practices based on recognized authorities (like Society of Automotive Engineers) might be a more productive approach, and might be more likely to result in civilized behavior on all parts.

Just my opinion, but......
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Even with the best intentions and what was thought to be good practices bad things can happen.
Breakaway switches come to mind. A while, maybe 3 or 4 years ago, there was couple on this very forum that didn't make sure the breakaway switch cable was positions so that it wouldn't cause a problem. It was hanging down beside the safety chains. The driver got onto the shoulder where there was some brush. Yup, the breakaway cable caught the brush and applied the brakes on the trailer. As I remember both the trailer and tow vehicle ended up upside down. After hearing about that one I did some internet searching and found this.
I now have one the coiled cables and it stays up out of the way stuff.

I love it! Gotta get one myself, since I snagged my break-away leash last week on returning from the NOG (applied brakes VERY hard!) a block from the house, and broke the "leash" at the same time!

Didn't know they has those! Am ordering one right now!
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Even with the best intentions and what was thought to be good practices bad things can happen.
Breakaway switches come to mind. A while, maybe 3 or 4 years ago, there was couple on this very forum that didn't make sure the breakaway switch cable was positions so that it wouldn't cause a problem. It was hanging down beside the safety chains. The driver got onto the shoulder where there was some brush. Yup, the breakaway cable caught the brush and applied the brakes on the trailer. As I remember both the trailer and tow vehicle ended up upside down. After hearing about that one I did some internet searching and found this.
I now have one the coiled cables and it stays up out of the way stuff.
Those of us with 7" brakes on Fiberglass trailers don't have to worry about lock-up,I have yet to see a set which would do so above a couple of MPH!
I love the cable though, gotta get one!
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I seem to think that it was the "I did this" approach that got us into a back-alley catfight last time.
Was it the "I did this" or was it the "YOU shouldn't be doing this" reaction to the "I did this" that caused the problem?
I think it was more the latter than the former.

I admit that I am evolving as a Moderator and I try to learn something from the mistakes I make here. It's tough to be the adult supervision when I'd really like to join in the fight...

for your suggestion. While the Engineers' perspective is a valid starting point, I would like to see other authorities quoted as well. Many of my stories are of my utter failures offered up as an example of what NOT to do.
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Old 05-12-2012, 02:22 PM   #39
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As a (non-current) private pilot, I became accustomed to doing a "walk-around" (pre-flight safety inspection) prior to every single flight. This is not a stroll around the aircraft while chatting with someone - it is an in-depth examination of every single functioning part. You start on the right-side and examine the flaps- their hinging mechanism, the actuators - then move to the ailerons and do the same - then examine the landing gear and that tire. You check oil and you check that all sparkplugs are tight and installed properly. You examine the prop for evidence of cracks, or nicks from which cracks can start.

Etc. etc.

You work your way around the aircraft checking EVERYTHING including the fuel for evidence of contaminants..

My point? It was explained to me when I was learning that, if something goes wrong in your car, you can just pull over to the side. "Pulling over to the side" in an airplane usually gets your name and picture in the paper.

Now we are seeing that - especially when towing - you cannot always just "pull over to the side" if something goes wrong, and your name and picture just may find their way into the paper.

A bit of "pre-flight inspection" - also known as a "walk around" can pay humongous dividends, does not take too long and can save lives.

Tires? Tire pressures? Hitch done up? Cross bar latched holding the drawbar to the tug's hitch? Locked? Coupler latched and locked? Safety chains done up? Elect connector inserted and latched? Breakaway cable installed? Trailer lights working? Brakes working? Lug nuts tight? Tug's oil and brake systems OK? Tug's coolant levels OK? Windshield washer fluids and wiper blades? Fan belt(s)? Power steering fluid? Evidence of leaks of any fluids? Now you can think about going.

Repeat at EVERY stop.

It's a habit I formed a LONG time ago. I do it with race cars I (sometimes) drive. I do it when towing. I admit that when I am not towing I get lazy and only do it once a week with my DD.

I have caught things BEFORE they had a chance to kill me (or someone else).
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Well, yes, Dave is of course correct. A checklist is a fine thing indeed. I made mine up, took them to office max and had them laminated for me. I keep it in the truck so that as I prepare to leave, I can grab the list and do my final walk-around. I arranged things on the list so that I can start at the driver door and do a counter clockwise walk around the whole rig and hit every item as I progress down the list.

I find these lists to be invaluable, especially if more than one person is helping getting things ready, such as when we are loading for a horse show. Bottom line is, when we get ready to pull out of the lane, I, as the driver am 100% responsible to make sure everything is right. Having the "help" of several teenage girls in the loading process is great, but I still need to be the one who "signs off" on it all when it's time to drop it into gear and stand on the loud pedal.
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I'm with BCDave. I have a routine for every outing-a major preinspection before leaving, then a set inspection everytime I stop, even if just for gas. And I never leave the inspection to someone else. I never 'hook up and go'.
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