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Old 12-07-2017, 12:36 PM   #169
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It's still hard to understand why someone would not turn off the engine, put the transmission in neutral or hit the brakes hard enough to stop the car.

If they really did have some time and did none of those things, are we to think maybe this most basic response should be taught as an emergency response?

Of course, if it's a sudden thing in a parking lot, just a surge, that's different, but on the road for a long stretch?

As I recall, in one Prius incident, there was no record in the computer of the brakes being applied. Seems phony. How could someone ride along, at full throttle, and make a call to 911, explain the situation, and never think of shutting off the engine? Or scooting the carpet back with their feet, etc. Or 911 not tell them to put the car in neutral, if the brakes failed too?

Brakes should always be able to stop the car, but not if you just apply them lightly and burn them up while running at full throttle. It would take a serious emergency type stop to get stopped before they burned up. But then what? Put the car in park? Or just turn it off. I wonder if you can turn it off in all cars without engaging the steering lock? Mine you can, but I'm not familiar with the Prius setup. Neutral is the best answer.
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:09 PM   #170
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The old Audi 5000 unintended acceleration cases were almost certainly pedal mis-application.

With the Prius, I'm not so sure. Older vehicles have no connection between braking and acceleration systems, but when you have regenerative braking controlled by the same computer system that is controlling the drive-by-wire throttle, who can say for sure there isn't something going on between them?
The Prius has both regenerative braking AND friction brakes. Applying the pedal should activate the friction brakes, regardless of what the hybrid powertrain is doing, but whether faulty software could have overridden that input is uncertain. Toyota says no, drivers say yes. Bad deal for sure!

The software can definitely override the shift lever input, since there is no mechanical connection.
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:24 PM   #171
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With stressful emergency situations, you never know what you'll do until you're tested. If an emergency is happening, are you the person who takes charge and does what can be done in that situation? Or are you the person who freezes, unable to react? Or the one who becomes unhinged and unreasonable, freaking out?

You may have some idea, if you know yourself pretty well, but you never really know until you're tested.

Sitting calmly in a safe environment in front of our computers, it's pretty hard to second guess/analyze someone's actions in a life or death situation.

And yeah, I absolutely think that in driver training (which should be required later in life, not just when you're young and don't care), different scenarios should be offered up, with possible correct and incorrect actions.

Once there's an emergency, it's too late for critical thinking.
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Old 12-07-2017, 02:39 PM   #172
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With stressful emergency situations, you never know what you'll do until you're tested. If an emergency is happening, are you the person who takes charge and does what can be done in that situation? Or are you the person who freezes, unable to react? Or the one who becomes unhinged and unreasonable, freaking out?

You may have some idea, if you know yourself pretty well, but you never really know until you're tested.

Sitting calmly in a safe environment in front of our computers, it's pretty hard to second guess/analyze someone's actions in a life or death situation.

And yeah, I absolutely think that in driver training (which should be required later in life, not just when you're young and don't care), different scenarios should be offered up, with possible correct and incorrect actions.

Once there's an emergency, it's too late for critical thinking.
Excellent Post!
Unfortunately, if you've got thirty years of driving experience without learning anything, real improvement is going to be a challenge, so at least pay attention when driving and never panic while the car is in motion.

If you would like "later in life" training, join SCCA and take a driving course. Five weeks of one night a week in classroom, then a couple of days in your car with the instructor. Then you can be on your way to Carnegie Hall!( if you know how to get there)
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Old 12-07-2017, 02:54 PM   #173
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Yes some people will never be good drivers...

I took a motorcycle class, partly because some friends who had grown up dirt biking said they took it as adults, to get their endorsement. All of them said they learned a TON and were really glad they took it. You can just take a road and written test and not take the class.

I think 5 or so years of driving, then more education would be great...with mandatory re-training every so many years. People would hate it, but...

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Yes some people will never be good drivers...

I took a motorcycle class, partly because some friends who had grown up dirt biking said they took it as adults, to get their endorsement. All of them said they learned a TON and were really glad they took it. You can just take a road and written test and not take the class.

I think 5 or so years of driving, then more education would be great...with mandatory re-training every so many years. People would hate it, but...

Anyway...towing
Yes, people would hate it and it wouldn't make any difference. Remember safety inspections on cars? They too did statistically absolutely nothing.
The ability to pass a questionnaire and a road test won't help if you are too busy texting or playing with your thousand app radio to pay attention.
LOL! #stupidisasstupiddoes!

We have done all that is necessary and probably all that can reasonably be done to make our roads safe, now it is up to the driver to take his responsibility seriously.

We now have a law which requires Insurance... no change in covered drivers .

We now have a law which requires lights on in the rain... about 70% compliance... About equal to voluntary.

We now have a law against texting but we put multi paragraph moving lighted signs over our interstates giving us all sorts of reading material like " don't read this and drive!" or "watch the road!"

How about talking dashcams with alarm phrases like "Danger Danger Will Robinson" or just the sound of a blood curdling scream!
You could even give it little gesticulating flailing arms to help draw attention. The driver would still have to look up when the alarm went off!

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I won’t be to long before nobody will be able to drive a car, as self driving cars will be the law. We have them now driving all around the Phoenix area.
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Yeah, I'm probably young enough that I'll live to see the day where we're riding along on a road trip, reading and talking and taking naps, and say "wow, remember when we used to have to drive?"
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Yes, people would hate it and it wouldn't make any difference. Remember safety inspections on cars? They too did statistically absolutely nothing.
The ability to pass a questionnaire and a road test won't help if you are too busy texting or playing with your thousand app radio to pay attention.
LOL! #stupidisasstupiddoes!

We have done all that is necessary and probably all that can reasonably be done to make our roads safe, now it is up to the driver to take his responsibility seriously.

We now have a law which requires Insurance... no change in covered drivers .



Floyd , I have one of those 1000 app radios in my truck and it is not a distraction . I never use it because I don't know how , I don't care, and I don't really want to . To be honest I think I also have apps on my phone but have never used them . I really don't know what an app is . I may well be stupid just in the opposite direction.

Wisconsin just got mandatory insurance . It didn't do much !!.
Years ago the drunks just drove without insurance, now they still drive without insurance and brag about all the money they save by not buying DUI insurance. You have to have your priorities in order, do you pay your bar tab or for insurance ? . If you live in Wisconsin the answer is obvious .
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I won’t be to long before nobody will be able to drive a car, as self driving cars will be the law. We have them now driving all around the Phoenix area.
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Speaking of new hinges and door locks.

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Want to see mine? Cracks in the fiberglass shell around the new hinges 1 week after picking up my 2018 13' Scamp. I'll take some pictures.
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Yeah, I'm probably young enough that I'll live to see the day where we're riding along on a road trip, reading and talking and taking naps, and say "wow, remember when we used to have to drive?"
I wonder what the test drive will be like when it comes to buying a self driver? I can see telling it an address to take me too, but how do we test the performance? 0-60, cornering G force, panic stop? If it's a Jeep, can we take it off road and over a couple of jumps? How far will it burn rubber?
Without having to drive, think how much extra time we'll have to check out babes and flip off other drivers, etc!
Of course we'll need reclining seats to accommodate naps, and serious connectivity so we can concentrate on the laptop.
What happens when it's time to re-fuel? Can it pull up to the appropriate pump too?
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I wonder what the test drive will be like when it comes to buying a self driver? I can see telling it an address to take me too, but how do we test the performance? 0-60, cornering G force, panic stop? If it's a Jeep, can we take it off road and over a couple of jumps? How far will it burn rubber?
Without having to drive, think how much extra time we'll have to check out babes and flip off other drivers, etc!
Of course we'll need reclining seats to accommodate naps, and serious connectivity so we can concentrate on the laptop.
What happens when it's time to re-fuel? Can it pull up to the appropriate pump too?
I'm sure that it will have a demonstration mode, which will tell you all that you allowed to know. you might be able to choose the destination but probably not the route.
I'm still worried about it getting a DUI since it drinks E-10 R-BOB with 10% alcohol, some even E-85!
A drunk car is not only dangerous but you might end up in someone else's garage.
And then there is always this problem....
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