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Old 03-01-2014, 11:09 AM   #15
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Quote: "But if the trailer has brakes then it is rated higher. Nothing about the TV has changed but an external condition (brakes are added to the trailer) has increased the rating of the TV."

Can't agree with that as a blanket statement. Some vehicles have separate ratings for towing with and without brakes but, unless that is specified, I don't see any way you can justify towing over the stated limit.

For that matter, as almost all trailers over 1500 lbs come with brakes, (as is required in many jurisdictions) raising a stated 2500 lb towing limit because one is towing a 3000 lb trailer with brakes, just begs the question.

Towing is as much about pulling and handling as it is about stopping.
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Old 03-01-2014, 11:46 AM   #16
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A good example of this would say a vehicles that is rated to tow say 2,500lbs.

But if the trailer has brakes then it is rated higher. Nothing about the TV has changed but an external condition (brakes are added to the trailer) has increased the rating of the TV.

Perhaps you forgot the qualifier that this is only true within the limits imposed by the tow vehicle manufacturer. As Bob points out above, many/most give two tow limit numbers, which depend on whether there are brakes on the towed unit.

The vehicle is still limited to the maximum (braked trailer) weight stated by the manufacturer.
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Here is a good website which covers all aspects of towing.

They talk about trucks and bigger RVs, but the same principles apply to our little rigs.

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Weights and safe towing

Thanks all for tare ,net and gross ratings.The video from "Roger's site and RVSEF" was awesome !
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It is a real blessing that this is an electronic medium, if it were paper, this subject would cause major deforestation and then "WHO,WHO" would explain that to the Spotted Owl? (If one could still be "spotted")
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It is a real blessing that this is an electronic medium, if it were paper, this subject would cause major deforestation and then "WHO,WHO" would explain that to the Spotted Owl? (If one could still be "spotted")
Carry-On! This won't take much coal!

Now you've got me thinking Floyd. Is the bird in question called a Spotted Owl because it has spots, or because people frequently get a glimpse of one. Don't mean to introduce another species, but you've opened up a real can of (Earth) worms!


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Did a lot of reading on this one, sounds like the WD hitch I have on my traverse does help with tongue weight... ......I am looking at a different tv today and excited that then if I do get an egg, I can prob. even tow it with water on board when going to campgrounds with sulfur (lots of that in our area and I won't put that in my rig!) wish me luck with a great price!
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Curious... why are you trading the Traverse? It's a nice-sized tow vehicle for a Lil Snoozy or an EggCamper (is that what you're still looking for?) with plenty of passenger and cargo room for a family.
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Old 04-01-2017, 07:42 AM   #23
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Just upgraded TV to 2012 Subaru Outback - towing capacity 2700 lbs. Towing a 1979 Trillium Jubliee, GVW 2000. Trialer has electric brakes. Terrain here in NL anything but flat. Should I still be okay? Also, dealer questioned if I had a 2" ball. I do not, it's 1 7/8". Is that standard for the Trillium?

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Curious... why are you trading the Traverse? It's a nice-sized tow vehicle for a Lil Snoozy or an EggCamper (is that what you're still looking for?) with plenty of passenger and cargo room for a family.
Agree..... The Traverse is an all around capable TV. Wondering if the poster still has it or moved on?
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Just upgraded TV to 2012 Subaru Outback - towing capacity 2700 lbs. Towing a 1979 Trillium Jubliee, GVW 2000. Trialer has electric brakes. Terrain here in NL anything but flat. Should I still be okay? Also, dealer questioned if I had a 2" ball. I do not, it's 1 7/8". Is that standard for the Trillium?



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I believe a Trillium Jubilee is a 15' trailer, right? That 2000 pounds GVW- it should mean the actual scaled weight of your fully loaded trailer. Is that right? What is your tongue weight, fully loaded?

With a Subaru Outback, the 2700 pound rating is misleading. It has a tongue weight rating of only 200 pounds, which means you are limited to a maximum camping trailer weight of 2000 pounds in order to maintain the recommended 10% minimum tongue weight for stable towing.

If you are really at 2000 pounds loaded, and if the trailer is loaded to have 200 pounds on the tongue, you are where you need to be, but right on the edge.

I believe some Subarus also have a caveat that for long uphill grades in high ambient temperatures, the tow rating is cut in half. That limits where you can take this marginal combination.

As to ball size, the ball on the tug must match the coupler on the trailer, which should be stamped with the ball size. Couplers are sometimes changed to a different size than OEM, so the only way to be sure is to look at the trailer.
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Old 04-01-2017, 02:22 PM   #26
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Many thank, Jon.

The Jubilee is 15' long.

And yes, per spec sheet, the GVW means 2000 lbs fully loaded. Also, per spec sheet, the tongue weight is 110-125 lbs, fully loaded. So there seems to be some wiggle room there.

There are usually 3 of us (2 adults + a teenager) and a dog in the car. We are fairly reasonable in terms of what we bring with us in terms of bulk (food, chairs, clothes, etc). And we do use the car for clothes storage. What I don't understand is how to figure out the car's capacity in relation to the trailer. How much weight can you have in the car yet still tow safely. I believe we are safely under weight in the trailer. I'd say around 1800 lbs.

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You have a Trillium spec sheet showing the fully loaded tongue weight?
I'd be interested to see that.

I'd be VERY surprised if the tongue weight of any properly loaded 2000lbs trailer is anywhere in the 110-125 lbs range as you say. A trailer usually requires close to 10% of total weight to be stable, this means around 200lbs for a Jubilee, and I would expect your actual tongue weight closer to 250 lbs.

As for brakes, please get serious here. By mentioning "terrain is anything but flat" you just answered you own question. I don't mean to be rude, but do you seriously expect someone here to tell you "yep, sure, no problem, go ahead" ?
Well, someone may actually come up and say that. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.

You trailer already has brakes, now all you need to make your towing experience safer and much more relaxing is a decent brake controller. One of the best deal is Tekonsha's Primus IQ controller, that you can get for about $90 online at Costco.ca or Amazon.ca. You may even be able to install it yourself, only 4 wires to connect (ground, positive, brake signal, brake line).
Note that it's not only a matter of hilly roads: you might have to do a panic stop, and without trailer brakes you will find that 2000 lbs pushing on the back of the Subaru is not too much fun.

You will be towing in hilly terrain with a vehicle that's loaded close to its limit. Please don't push you luck and get those trailer brakes working.
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Old 04-01-2017, 05:08 PM   #28
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Thanks again, Carl.

When Spring finally arrives here I plan to take the trailer to have it weighed (dry). I'd like to go back again and repeat the process after the trailer is loaded.

Before I used the trailer I had electric brakes re-installed, and only yesterday, when I had a new hitch added to my new to me TV, I re-installed the controller that was installed in my last TV. Safety first.

With a little effort, I scraped away paint from the head of the coupler to check for size stamping. I finally found it. 1 7/8" ball. Depending on the results when I weigh the trailer, I may have to upsize.

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