Towing feedback needed from Casita & Scamp owners. The sooner the pretty please :-) - Fiberglass RV


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Old 10-11-2016, 03:31 PM   #1
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Towing feedback needed from Casita & Scamp owners. The sooner the pretty please :-)

Can anyone tell me if you have had first-hand experience pulling a 17 foot Casita Freedom Deluxe with a 2000 4WD Toyota Tacoma? It is a four-cylinder 2-7 engine with an extended cab. It's all set with the brake controller and wired for a trailer.


I'm writing on behalf of a friend. My biggest concern is his steep and potentially dangerous hill that my friend has for an access road that has a 900 foot drop off on one side. He also lives in a remote area and there are many passes to go over with hills to climb on a very regular basis. I know other Toyota Tacoma's have pulled this rig but I'm not sure how new the trucks were or how many hills they had to climb.


The deep concern started when I got an email from a seller who had just a 13 foot scamp with the bathroom and her Subaru Forrester could only go 40 miles an hour uphill, and she feared overheating the rig on a trip so she is selling it. Thank you in advance for any helpful feedback.


He was preparing to go pick up a very special Casita Freedom Deluxe trailer when this tremendous red light appeared. He always had doubts that it might be too heavy for his rig but this email brought up the conversation again.


And for you Scamp experts out there I would like to pose the same question on a 2007 16 foot scamp without a bathroom? Would his truck pull that up hills with no problem or does he need to concentrate on a 13 foot scamp with no bathroom?


Thanks again so much for any feedback you could send my way. The sooner the better as he is trying to find a trailer very soon.


And if anyone has a great lead on a Scamp 13 without a bathroom that is in wonderful shape with the furnace and a three-way fridge please holler soon! The problem continues to be that they're already sold by the time one gets a hold of the seller.
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Old 10-11-2016, 04:40 PM   #2
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I pull a 17" Freedom Deluxe right now with an 02 Tundra 4wd V8 and have also pulled the same with an 01 Tundra 2wd V6 both long bed trucks.

I would not want to try this with any 4cyl. Taco I have seen.

There is also a pretty huge difference between the 17' Freedom and a 16' Scamp w/o bath and I have also owned and towed one of those with the Tundra V6.

Much more likely to have a good experience with the much lighter weight Scamp but I would still be reluctant myself to give it a go.

I would much rather have a heavier truck than I really need than one that I need to wonder about,YMMV as they say.
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Old 10-11-2016, 04:54 PM   #3
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I pull a 17" Freedom Deluxe right now with an 02 Tundra 4wd V8 and have also pulled the same with an 01 Tundra 2wd V6 both long bed trucks.

I would not want to try this with any 4cyl. Taco I have seen.

There is also a pretty huge difference between the 17' Freedom and a 16' Scamp w/o bath and I have also owned and towed one of those with the Tundra V6.

Much more likely to have a good experience with the much lighter weight Scamp but I would still be reluctant myself to give it a go.

I would much rather have a heavier truck than I really need than one that I need to wonder about,YMMV as they say.
Thank you so much for the helpful reply Ed! Could you be clear if you think he could pull a Scamp 13 foot without a bathroom or do you think that would be a challenge also maybe? Thanks again for your helpful feedback. And I hope so much someone has a wonderful 13 foot scamp for sale without a bathroom out there in the next few days that you could give me a holler about! :-)
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Old 10-11-2016, 05:36 PM   #4
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Hey Jeanne,
I know the Tacoma with a V6 and tow package is a well regarded vehicle for towing a Casita 17 or Scamp. I tow a 17 ft Spirit Deluxe with a Rav 4 V6 with tow package and weight distribution hitch with sway bar. Although it gets the job done I would say it's a marginal setup at best. I take back roads whenever possible(45-50 mph average) and when I am on the highway I try to maintain a speed of around 60 mph. I would think a 4 cylinder Tacoma would not be a suitable tow vehicle for 16 or 17 footer, and I would get some additional advice regarding a 13 footer. As far as a 13 footer for sale I would check out the classified ads on the other forums. Hope that helps a little. Peace!
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:17 AM   #5
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I tow a 13ft Boler ,without bathroom, with a 96 Ford Ranger 4.0 V6 Automatic , Tow Package and even my V6 Ranger struggles on hills.
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Old 10-12-2016, 10:27 AM   #6
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We tow a 13' Scamp with a 2015 Ford Transit Connect 4-cyclinder van with no problems at all, up hill, down hill, works fine. We do have a brake controller, an important safety precaution. And we average about 17-22 mpg while doing so depending on terrain. All-up weight, car/trailer/passengers/cargo about 6100 lbs. Trailer weight 1600 and tongue load about 120.
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:00 AM   #7
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I pulled a 16' Scamp with a 4 cyl vehicle as well as with a V6 Nissan Frontier. The Scamp loaded (no water or AC) weighed in at 2500lbs total. I can tell you there is a world of difference when dealing with steep passes etc when pulling with the V6 vs the 4 cyl. All in a good way. The 4 cyl could do it but it was a very slow go and sure would not try it on a hot day.
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Old 10-12-2016, 11:11 AM   #8
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I would have to agree with other posters. Towing on flat land and up steep hills are entirely different situations. I can pull my 26 footer (3500 lb) with my Ranger on flat prairies. Into the foothills my 1/2 ton GMC works better. Into the mountains I use my 3/4 diesel. This isn't something you want to find out the hard way. Keep your antifreeze and tranny fluid in your vehicle and not on the road. cheers
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:55 PM   #9
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Get the tow ratings and the weight of the trailer

Hi--Why guess.. The automotive engineers have done the heavy lifting. Get the tow rating of your vehicle. Model engine size etc., it is in your owners manual or readily available on line.

Get the trailer weight on line or from the manufacturer.

You will avoid guess work and have hard facts to make an informed decision.

Plan on being on tougher roads, mountainous roads leave a larger margin for safety.

Maintain your tow vehicle. It has a lot of work to do.
I just had every fluid and filter changed in my tow vehicle. 100,000 miles.

Coolant, engine oil, transmission, transfer case, rear differential, power steering, brake fluid plus every lock and hinged lubed. Don't forget moon/sun roof tracks and seat tracks.

Previous tow vehicle had a secondary transmission cooler installed.
Cheap tranny insurance for driving in the hot southwest.

Good luck in your decision.
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:58 PM   #10
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The 2000 4x4 2.7 engine has a towing capacity of 3500 lbs. A 16/17 foot trailer dressed with camping weight is pushing a load on that particular truck. If its an automatic it better have a very big transmission cooler and you will need to manually downshift it. You will have to gear down on the hills and take a vacation on the way up. He would be far better off with a 13 foot trailer. Buy the trailer you want and swap out the truck. It's much harder to get the trailer than a replacement truck. My tow vehicles don't struggle towing my 13 foot trailer. It's a far nicer drive than having to pull over for a school bus to pass you when you hit a hill. I use to pull that game in my old motorhome. Struggling with a very slow uphill tow just wears you out mentally and physically not counting the poor little engine that could. Good luck in your quest I remember my frustrations finding my Scamp 13.
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Old 10-12-2016, 01:40 PM   #11
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I just googled "tow capacity of 4 cylinder tacoma" and got a response of 3500 lbs. You don't want to come even close to that and I would think a big grade with a drop-off would be on edge (pun intended!) unless you have a very light rig. Especially if it has to be done on a regular basis...

One thing a wise sales person recommended to us is to go to U-haul and rent a trailer that is the approximate weight of the trailer you want to buy and take it out for the day. You can then see first hand how it handles.
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Old 10-12-2016, 03:06 PM   #12
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I pulled a 17LD with the 4 banger Taco - not only is capacity and power lacking for steep hills, the transmission is geared differently than the V6 Taco I have now. Even on moderately steep hills you'll be turning over 4000 rpm just to maintain 40-50 miles per hour.

My V6 4 dr 4WD long bed Taco is rated at 6400 lbs and tows a 4200 pound (when loaded for travel) Escape 21 just fine...........
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Old 10-12-2016, 03:53 PM   #13
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Cylinders vs Power

How well will a 4 cylinder tow a heavier trailer? Slowly, in a lower gear!

I used to operate a Caterpillar Tractor with a 3 cylinder engine. But, it had a larger bore and stroke that you typical SUV engine today.
Pulling a load requires a high torque. If you want to go fast you need higher horsepower. A small engine that spins at a high RPM needs lots of gear reduction
between it and the drive wheels to pull a heavy load.
A big engine with lots of torque and low RPM can move the same load with less gear reduction. vis-avis the Cat.

For your application, others have told you to compare the Tow vehicles towing capacity against the trailer weight. If it says you can tow up to 3500 lb you can. The engineers always allow a margin of "safety".
Just learn how to downshift on the uphill ...and downhill ... grades.
Overheating of automatic transmissions is caused by excessive slippage in the torque converter. And that is caused by keeping the shifter in Drive.
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Personal opinion; I would not pull anything but a small teardrop trailer with any 4 cylinder engine; it's just too much of a risk. Transmission loss especially would be disastrous.


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