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Old 06-06-2012, 01:07 PM   #57
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Cool!! What was the stopping distance or the effect of a decending radius turn?
Here's another view of trailering on a closed circuit race track...Check this out...

Yahoo! Video Detail for Illiana Speedway Crashfest Trailer Race 9/06&

This one looks like Briley Parkway on Memorial Day weekend (only without the road construction)...

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Cool! Especially that no eggs were harmed during making of the video
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Rest assured ...THE TRAFFIC IS SPEEDING!
In Toronto area??? I wish it was true! Most of the time it's at the standstill! Try and detract from that
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In Toronto area??? I wish it was true! Most of the time it's at the standstill! Try and detract from that
Then speed becomes a non-issue!
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Cool!! What was the stopping distance or the effect of a decending radius turn?
Here's another view of trailering on a closed circuit race track...
It looks like Briley Parkway on Memorial Day weekend (only without the road construction),Check this out...

Yahoo! Video Detail for Trailer Racing.m4v&
I didn't find anything about tire side loading in corners in 20 second search. However, it seems to me that high speed cornering is greatly effected by the trailer.
Light trucks and autos have sway control systems to keep the vehicle flat, (static like torsion bars or active via computer). I believer those help keep the tires on the ground. Where's the same system in the trailer. It seems to me that the trailer tires will break traction at a much lower speed than the autos or light trucks.
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Traffic doesn't care whether you tow or not. It flows at it's own pace. In my book, in most cases, unless the traffic is speeding, safe speed is the speed of the traffic and that is regardless of whether I'm towing or not.
To add to this, it is impossible to conflict with cars going in your direction if everyone is going the same speed. One of the basics in Traffic Engineering. I usually tow at the speeds that traffic is going. Those that exceed this speed, AND those that go a lot slower, are all adding an element of potential conflict, especially on a busy highway.
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It seems to me that the trailer tires will break traction at a much lower speed than the autos or light trucks.
I believe this too in most cases. Most eggs have a low centre of gravity and the tires small. Not a lot of traction.

In full height trailers if the grip is there the trailer with it's high centre of gravity and low tech suspension results could be different.

In the example below the trailer got our of shape much earlier than the TV, in this case a mid sized Porsche SUV.
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To add to this, it is impossible to conflict with cars going in your direction if everyone is going the same speed. One of the basics in Traffic Engineering. I usually tow at the speeds that traffic is going. Those that exceed this speed, AND those that go a lot slower, are all adding an element of potential conflict, especially on a busy highway.
Wow!
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To add to this, it is impossible to conflict with cars going in your direction if everyone is going the same speed. One of the basics in Traffic Engineering. I usually tow at the speeds that traffic is going. Those that exceed this speed, AND those that go a lot slower, are all adding an element of potential conflict, especially on a busy highway.





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Wow!
I agree WOW is right.
It's always interesting how risky activities are rationalized. I remember the same kind of arguments for not wearing seat belts back in the 50s and 60s. There seems to always be something.
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I will assume that this scorn I am receiving is due to the fact I believe that slower traffic causes problems as much as speeding traffic does. Not quite following the comparison to seat belts though.

This is actually a huge problem being discussed on a very busy road in Northern Alberta, where lots of fatal accidents have happened due to passing when obviously unsafe. There is a big push on to have this highway widened to four lanes.

I am sure we all have seen the huge lineups of vehicles behind that one slow moving one, with these other drivers becoming impatient and wanting to pass. If I understand some posters correct, they condone this action. I think it is unsafe.

With a trailer properly set up with brakes as needed, and a vehicle rated to safely tow this trailer, there is no reason at all to not do the speed limit.
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Exclamation Topic is digressing into arguement

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How fast does everyone drive while towing their scamp trailers and such on highways and interstates, what about on gravel roads?
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I agree WOW is right.
It's always interesting how risky activities are rationalized.
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I will assume that this scorn I am receiving is due to the fact I believe that slower traffic causes problems as much as speeding traffic does.
Considering the original question, this topic seems to have run its course.

Let's all acknowledge that towing trailers is a risky business and that by just being present on the road at whatever speed, all of us are contributing to that risk. That's just the way life is. While I agree with his belief, I can no sooner get Jim to slow down than he can get me to speed up. I have to accept that, and I hope that he can accept it too.

I will keep this topic open for OTHER people to contribute, but Floyd, Byron and Jim need to voluntarily sit this out. My subscription will alert me to your activity, and I will close this if I have to.
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Sorry to all for my ramblings. Good call Frederick, I will sit this out now.
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Note to self: add "highway speed" to list of things not discussed at dinner table, along with religion and politics....
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In Toronto area??? I wish it was true! Most of the time it's at the standstill! Try and detract from that
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With a trailer properly set up with brakes as needed, and a vehicle rated to safely tow this trailer, there is no reason at all to not do the speed limit.
Jim I think the problem is that a argument could be made that there are many situations when there are in fact safety reasons for not doing the speed limit.

One is if your trailers tires are not meant to go over x so many miles per hour and you do a speed limit which is over that rating you are IMHO creating an unsafe driving condition not only for yourself but those you share the road with. My understanding is most states & provinces have something in the law that says that you can/should lower your speed if its necessary to maintain reasonable and prudent road safety.

Another is when traveling in a states with high speed limits. In Montana for example in many parts of the state you will find they only seem to have one road sign 75mph. They actually didnt even have a speed limit set until 1999. Doesn't matter if it was a 4 lane highway or a single lane curvy mountain road which wouldn't get a rating of 40 tops anywhere in Canada, very few signs under 75 to be seen in many parts of the state. I can assure you I was not the only one who did not do even close to the speed limit on some of those roads and most of the others where not towing When I asked the locals if I was actually expected to do 75 the answer was absolutely not! Montana law has a section that says "a person shall operate a vehicle in a careful and prudent manner and at a reduced rate of speed no greater than is reasonable and prudent under the conditions existing at the point of operation, taking into account the amount and character of traffic, visibility, weather, and roadway conditions." Bottom line was the speed limit may read 75 but only a fool would actually do it
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