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Old 02-25-2015, 10:29 AM   #15
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Smaller vehicles like the Ford Ranger can do the job and do it more economically.

That's not necessarily true. I got the same mileage towing the Scamp 19 with the F150 as I did towing the Aliner with the Ranger. I fail to see any economical advantage there, and I did not impede traffic with the F150 as I sometimes did with the Ranger. Not only that, the F150 is more comfortable than the Ranger was. And speaking of psyche, the lack of power frequently scared me when trying to merge in heavy, fast moving traffic. So my psyche is that it is better to be overpowered than to be underpowered. I personally cannot put the cost of a few gallons of gas over a feeling of security when towing.


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Old 02-25-2015, 10:30 AM   #16
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I really like the Scamp 16 but the added room in the R Pod is tempting. I feel comfortable the Ranger would handle the Scamp with no big problem but I am concerned with the additional frontal area on the R Pod. Cost wise the Scamp is more expensive but they seem to hold the value well. Not many used ones out there. I am not sure how the R Pod will do. The R Pod is really discounted at the dealers right now.
You have described the choice which faces every trailer buyer. You can choose the value of fiberglass or the initial price of a stickbuilt.
If you are going to keep it ... choose fiberglass for superior longevity.
If you are going to sell it after a while... choose fiberglass for superior resale.
You can have a pretty much free trailer if you buy an older fiberglass and take care of it.It could be better than the lousy returns from a passbook savings account.
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Old 02-25-2015, 10:45 AM   #17
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I have had the same experience as Carl had with my 2001, 3.0 Ranger, auto, 4x4, ext cab, 56,000 miles with a Scamp 13'. On the flat when returning to Denver towing it for 1,850 miles from New York at 65-70 mph for two and a half days, it towed great. But per the manual, the O/D should be locked out. Likewise, in the Colorado and western mountains, again per the manual, you should shift down a gear when towing while climbing mountains to prevent overheating of the trans fluid which causes it to drop to a crawl.

The first time that crawling happened to me while in the mountains, I had it checked by a go-to transmission shop in Denver for their super-duper analysis equipment. I expected them to say I needed a complete overhaul, ...$,$,$. However, they said everything was fine, nothing wrong with the transmission. I didn't even succeed in burning the trans fluid. It must be build tougher than it handled and smelled.

That was close enough for me and that's when I read the manual regarding towing, and have not had any issues with it since towing in the mountains.
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I found the 3.0 a very poor towing engine on steep hills it was not unusual to drop down to 2nd or 3rd gear to get up a grade.
Larry has made a good point. You can't judge TV performance by the size of the engine or a tow rating.

We have a 3 klm climb going up the Niagara escarpment heading west out of Hamilton ont. Our 150HP 3.0L Nissan Mini Van towed the 3,500lb Airstream up that climb in 3rd gear. We were still doing 55MPH at the top and passed many crawling 18 wheelers on the way up.
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Old 02-25-2015, 11:17 AM   #19
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[QUOTE=CPW;506518] And speaking of psyche, the lack of power frequently scared me when trying to merge in heavy, fast moving traffic. So my psyche is that it is better to be overpowered than to be underpowered. I personally cannot put the cost of a few gallons of gas over a feeling of security when towing.


I agree, also about the bigger more comfortable vehicle. Going from the CRV and Uhaul 13 to the Hemi powered Ram and Casita 17 I lost about 3 mpg. The Ram has a tow mode feature which makes the transmission shift different. I was due to upgrade vehicles anyways, so buying the Casita just gave me the push I needed. And it takes a real big push to get me to buy a vehicle. Last new car I bought was in 1969 and I still own it. My Ram is a 2012.
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Old 02-25-2015, 11:27 AM   #20
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I tow an Escape 17' with a 2010 Ford Ranger 4L 4X4, with the factory tow package. This Ranger has enough power but I'd prefer a full sized pick-up truck for the added space and towing capacity. The down size of the larger truck is that it won't fit in my garage and the Ranger does.
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Old 02-25-2015, 05:18 PM   #21
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Hi Bob ..... I have a 2005 3.0L Supercab Ranger that I pull a 1980 Trillium Jubilee ( approx 2000 lbs loaded ) with.
In 2013 my wife and I made the trip from Vancouver BC across to the east coast. We travelled the states until crossing back into Canada at Windsor to visit friends near Toronto. We carried on through Quebec, New Brunswick and PEI to Nova Scotia. Our return was via the US east coast, through New York and then east to finally angle back up into Canada at Saskatchewan and home to BC.
The trip was 18,000 kilometres of very mixed driving with lots of long climbs. There was never a hiccup from the Ranger the whole trip and our fuel consumption was approx 17 mlles per US gallon ( approx 21 mpg Imp ) for combined travel, with and without the Jubilee.
I hope this gives you another bit of info to base your decision on. I would imagine that most of the 15 -16ft Fibreglass units would weigh approx the same as the Jubilee loaded.
My Ranger manual quotes 2300 lbs max trailer weight for my 3.0 L ( Edge ) with a 6000 lb gross weight for combined truck and trailer.
I do have some weights from when I took the combo over a local scale but can't put my hands on them at the moment. If I find them I will post here.
Good luck in your search for a trailer and many happy miles on the road.
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Smaller vehicles like the Ford Ranger can do the job and do it more economically.
Not always. I think you might be surprised. I just sold my 2002 Ranger 4x4 which was a PIG on gas, and bought a much larger 2015 F150 Crew Cab with an Ecoboost v6. I expect that the F150 will get almost DOUBLE the gas mileage of the Ranger, and it has a much higher towing capacity while doing it.

The hard and fast rule used to be that smaller was always cheaper to operate than larger, but with the advancements in materials and powerplants, that is changing fast.
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The hard and fast rule used to be that smaller was always cheaper to operate than larger, but with the advancements in materials and powerplants, that is changing fast.
It does seem that the choices are harder these days. The OP mentioned Scamp 19 and if he gets the "straight" (not deluxe), it is lighter and he should be able to tow it quite well with that 3.0 Ranger. I am towing my 19 Deluxe with the 4.0 liter Tacoma and towing package and it feels I have good performance margin. Also, I am quite happy with the 5th wheel setup. When Bob needs to replace the 15 y. o. Ranger, there are a few more "small" or medium size trucks to choose from, again. For a couple of years it was Frontier or Tacoma only.
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Not always. I think you might be surprised. I just sold my 2002 Ranger 4x4 which was a PIG on gas, and bought a much larger 2015 F150 Crew Cab with an Ecoboost v6. I expect that the F150 will get almost DOUBLE the gas mileage of the Ranger, and it has a much higher towing capacity while doing it.

The hard and fast rule used to be that smaller was always cheaper to operate than larger, but with the advancements in materials and powerplants, that is changing fast.
I certainly agree. Each generation of vehicles are getting more efficient. We just replaced a 10 year old vehicle with a new one and 10 years of new technology amazes us on a daily basis.

Our new vehicle is much larger and heavier with a 3-6 cylinder engine, compared to our previous 4 cylinder but gets better overall mileage.

The new vehicles are amazing. Maybe the next generation of Rangers will have the same level of technology.
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Maybe the next generation of Rangers will have the same level of technology.
They probably would, if Ford still made them. They stopped making the Ranger a couple years ago and have abandoned the smaller truck market (at least in North America) mainly because of lower sales and the fact that their larger trucks are now more efficient.
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The down size of the larger truck is that it won't fit in my garage and the Ranger does.
That is SO true. I don't like the idea of parking my new F150 outside, but unless I'm willing to move or remodel, that's the only place for it.
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I had a 1996 Ranger with a 3.0 and a 5 speed manual and it was underpowered in the mountains trying to tow a 1000 lb teardrop trailer. My CRV Honda towed it much better and it is a 4 cyl and auto. I found the 3.0 a very poor towing engine on steep hills it was not unusual to drop down to 2nd or 3rd gear to get up a grade. When I got the 17 ft Casita I went with a Jeep Cherokee with a 4.7 V-8 and and have had no problems maintaining a proper speed up hills and most of the time there is a little extra power to get out of trouble. I'm not any kind of a speeder I just want to keep at least a 55 mph speed on the road and not hold up traffic, I could never do this with the Ranger, especially if I was towing 3000+ lbs.
We climb over Monteagle with our 13D scamp at the speed limit pulled by our 2.3L Ford Escape(5spd manual). What do you suppose was wrong with your Ranger?
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Regarding what type of trailer to buy, I think your Ranger would struggle significantly harder with a stick built trailer. It should handle a Scamp or Casita all right, but a stickie will be taller, wider, and have un-rounded edges... all resulting in much more wind drag at highway speed. And let me tell you, wind resistance is the big factor when you're towing something.

I have had both. With a Burro (molded fiberglass) I got 14.3 mpg on a long trip through the Rockies. With a KZ Escape 14RB I got 12.3 mpg on a similar trip. I didn't have a problem towing the Burro up any long grades, but with the KZ I was making my transmission temperature warning light come on sometimes even though I was slowing and shifting down. Going up the San Rafael Swell (I-70, Utah) with the KZ in a headwind was not fun, running 38 mph in 2nd gear while cars whizzed by me. With the Burro I bet I would have been able to stay in 3rd and 10 mph faster.

In general terms, towing is the great equalizer when it comes to fuel economy. Given the same trailer and speed, a big thirsty V8 will get nearly the same mpg as a little V6 or even a 4. I once took the mpg numbers reported on the Scampers' Yahoo group and IIRC the average difference between the 4's and the 8's was less than 3 mpg, with the 6's about halfway in between. I would guess that @ 60 mph you should get about 15 mpg with a FG trailer, whereas a larger vehicle with V8 might get you 14... not much difference.

My opinion: you can tow a FG 'egg' with your Ranger, but if you want some other travel trailer you'd better shop for a bigger truck.
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