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Old 06-12-2015, 06:55 AM   #15
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Folks I don't mean to hijack this thread. Your comments about the ML's towing ability are the first that I have heard and I will be towing with one. I just wondered if you had any thoughts / suggestions for me? Any would be appreciated. I haven't gotten my camper yet but I'm trying to learn. Thanks, Michael
Good day Michael.. Towing performance of the high end import SUV's is amazing and worth a discussion. Suggest starting a new thread on the subject and we can get into it.
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Old 06-12-2015, 07:33 AM   #16
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I towed with my Jeep CRD well over 5,000 miles several types of trailers, finally blew a turbo hose on my last trip and had to stop in a truck shop for temporary repair. Then diesel fuel started to skyrocket so I traded it on a gas liberty.
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Old 06-12-2015, 08:49 AM   #17
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Jim,

Are you saying the difference in fuel cost was not justified by the difference in mpg?
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Yes, when I purchased the diesel it was less expensive than regular gas, now it costs more than premium and the 30-40% upcharge for fuel evened the playing field with gas.
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Old 06-12-2015, 10:27 AM   #19
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I thought a lot about this and when the fuel cost os 25 - 30 % higher for Diesel then the fuel cost alone does not work out. The thinking on my part was the additional torque available at low rpm. I figured that if I went with one of the higher powered Turob gas engined tow vehicles then I would have to use premium fuel with less difference in cost and STILL not have the low end torque.
The VW Sportwagen TDI I have been using has the pulling power (torque) even thoug the horsepower rating is only 140. The torque is 240 from idle to redline (pretty much).
As with everything it is the owners choice and in my case I chose to add a "new" 20013 VW Sportwagen with 25,000 miles to the fleet to replace (Add to ) the 2009 I already had. I did the math and the thinking and chose to do it again.
Before everyone starts on the towing with the Sportwagen most of the small SUV (CUV) s are really only taller compact wagons etc. that have been made taller to be "crossovers". The VW Tigual is a fat Golf Wagen that is taller, heavier, has a thirsty gas engine and slush pump automatic.
Nothing tows like a Diesel!

Norm - If you ever pass through Mobile you are welcome to try my TV for size.
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Old 06-12-2015, 11:15 AM   #20
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The Jeep Liberty Diesel was a nice package until they started tearing up the automatic transmissions. Then Jeep sent out a service bulletin that reprogrammed the computer to take power out of the motor. While it help saved the transmission the de-tune took out a good chunk of power and drastically dropped the mileage. Then Jeep dropped the diesel Liberty. Its a shame it was a very nice package. My Lesley loves her gas powered Liberty. Well most everything, the mileage sucks for a 2006. 15 MPG in town, 20 highway. Slightly worse than my 2001 Nissan Pathfinder which is 1.5 times the truck with a slightly smaller motor.
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Old 06-12-2015, 03:43 PM   #21
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Brent.

The jeep Liberty was a 2 year marketing experiment in the US but VM diesel engines have been continuously available outside the US in Jeeps since 1992 Cherokees.
Anyone for a for a diesel powered Wrangler?

I have a 2006 Jeep liberty CRD (diesel) I bought new and used it for 5 years to tow our 17' SD. Towing MPG's were between 17-19 and I saw 20 MPG once
I filled up this morning and diesel was $2.99 and regular gas was $2.89, speculators are responsible for the big price differences we've been through.

Your profile does not indicate if you have a 16' or 17' SD But if it's the 17' SD your tongue weight will be at or near 400#'s

Somewhere in the manual you will find it says that a WDH is REQUIRED at 300#. Not recommended but required

If your Liberty has the factory installed tow package installing a brake controller is not too bad and you'll find the blue wire behind the driver's kick panel.


You will also find the spare tire is in the way but if you turn the bracket over it usually allows enough clearance

Now for the diesel engine and the RF545 transmission. The Chrysler factory torque converter was not properly setup for the diesel engine and problems resulted
Chrysler's bean counter fix was to de-rate the diesel engine when in 4th and 5th that are both overdrive gears and raise the shift points. The raised shift points are good for towing but the torque reduction in over drive gears is a real bummer

You'll be going along in 5th gear and come to a slight incline, the engine having reduced torque in OD will cause the transmission will downshift to 3rd gear, no torque reduction there and it will quickly shift back to overdrive and again fall on it's face and down shift. In that situation the best remedy is to turn OD off and be happy at 50-55 mph in 3rd gear.
There are steps you can take to make your Liberty CRD the towing vehicle that it should be. Send me an email and I can tell you what needs to be done. That's unless the previous owner has already taken those steps
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Some good info on Jeeps. Learning a lot here. I sat in a Liberty at the Toronto auto show a few years back. Even at over 6'1" it was very roomy and comfortable.

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Brent.

Your profile does not indicate if you have a 16' or 17' SD But if it's the 17' SD your tongue weight will be at or near 400#'s

Somewhere in the manual you will find it says that a WDH is REQUIRED at 300#. Not recommended but required
I like the idea of a WDH too.
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