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Old 09-28-2015, 02:38 PM   #15
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That's all great information if you have a Volvo in the UK, but can be very misleading to attempt to apply to U.S. versions in the U.S.
Apparently the Volvo's from Sweden work great in the North American climate.
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Apparently the Volvo's from Sweden work great in the North American climate.
The discussion was about towing capabilities, not climate capabilities.

I have owned more Volvos than I care to count, from a 445 Duett to P-1800's that I raced with factory support.

And Death Valley in Feb is a fairly mild climate, seldom about 85.... no real big deal. but great advertising hype, especially in the UK.

Again, ask Ellpea about Volvo towing specifications in the U.S.
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I was looking for some information on the Volvo and came across this brochure and thought it might be of interest to some.

https://www.volvoclub.org.uk/pdf/Tow...flet_Jan08.pdf

Evidently Volvo takes towing seriously. The last paragraph of their statement is as follows:

Tough durability tests

As well as its towing tests at home in Sweden, Volvo Car Corporation also tests
its cars in Death Valley, California. In extreme heat, with temperatures well over 40
degrees, test cars are driven with fully loaded trailers on a 23.3 kilometre long uphill
climb with an average gradient of 7%. Nowhere else in the world can a tow car be
subjected to such extreme trials. All Volvo cars have to go through this extreme test
before the test engineers give their approval.
Thank you for that info! I am towing with an xc70 that acquits herself quite admirably!!!
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On average Death Valley has 191 days over 90 F, 141 days over 100 F. As well there are significant elevation changes.
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I was just making the point that just because Volvo claimed doing a road test in Death Valley doesn't mean that it was under adverse conditions. It seemed more of a show for those far, far away.
And there are 5 months of the year where the average temp is below 80, several well below 80.
Death Valley CA Average Temperatures by Month - Current Results


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JD, your info is correct. There is no other car company that puts their "cars" through such demanding towing tests.

Actually Volvo was involved in the development on the SAE J2807 Tow Test Standard which is used for not just trucks but “Light truck and vehicles" Which the majority of auto makers have been using for a couple of years now.

Read more: SAE J2807 Tow Tests - The Standard
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While I respect Volvo's long lived reputation for reliability, that's a claim that they have been using at least as far back as the 140 series. That's all great information if you have a Volvo in the UK, but can be very misleading to attempt to apply to U.S. versions in the U.S., Just ask Ellpea.
NOW NOW!

I'm fully behind the reliability of the U.S. versions of the Volvo! I can testify that getting the European-style "factory" drawbar setup to speak electronically to the NA trailer's system can be a bit of a challenge (and had I to do it over again I'd do it all differently), but the vehicle itself is a gem.
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NOW NOW!

I'm fully behind the reliability of the U.S. versions of the Volvo!
...... but the vehicle itself is a gem.
No doubt Ellpea. I was recently reading an"on the net" towing article reviewing the X70. Here are some of the highlights of the article....

"Volvo's have the 3,300 lb tow rating, every year, every model.

This is the rating from Europe and they just bring it across to us.

Adding to the quiet feel is it's strong body structure, which also helps with handling stability.

The same properties that make this vehicle handle so well make it a great handling TV."




If anyone is interested in reading the RV Lifestyles mag Volvo article let me know and I will relay link info.
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I think that the 6% grade that is called out in the test is the Davis dam road where this test requires maintaining specified speeds towing at the rated weights (MAX) at a temp of at least 110*F with the A/C going full blast.
No overheating. no warnings etc. This is the real test of towing weight capacity. This is where the trucks ran into trouble.
Stability tests etc. are required as well.
Volvo knows towing. At one time they were one of the leading long haul truck manufacturers in the world. I think the truck division bought White and formed Volvo Trucks. 2nd largest truck company in the world. Of course the cars and trucks are different now, but Volvo made trucks since 1928.
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No doubt Ellpea. I was recently reading an"on the net" towing article reviewing the X70. Here are some of the highlights of the article....

"Volvo's have the 3,300 lb tow rating, every year, every model.

This is the rating from Europe and they just bring it across to us.

Adding to the quiet feel is it's strong body structure, which also helps with handling stability.

The same properties that make this vehicle handle so well make it a great handling TV."




If anyone is interested in reading the RV Lifestyles mag Volvo article let me know and I will relay link info.
Sounds like the first two items disagree with the owners manuals in US versions. Why don't you just post the link to the article so everyone can read it?
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I think that the 6% grade that is called out in the test is the Davis dam road where this test requires maintaining specified speeds towing at the rated weights (MAX) at a temp of at least 110*F with the A/C going full blast.
No overheating. no warnings etc. This is the real test of towing weight capacity. This is where the trucks ran into trouble.
Stability tests etc. are required as well.
Volvo knows towing. At one time they were one of the leading long haul truck manufacturers in the world. I think the truck division bought White and formed Volvo Trucks. 2nd largest truck company in the world. Of course the cars and trucks are different now, but Volvo made trucks since 1928.
I couldn't care less about the Davis Dam road.

Ginny wouldn't allow me to drive a road like that when it was 110F, certainly I would shut off the AC, and lastly I would not care if we didn't maintain 40 mph.

I guess I don't expect my vehicles to be designed for 'falling off a cliff'. I'm smart enough to stay away from cliffs. Does anyone believe a loaded semi could do it? Is it necessary?
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I think that the 6% grade that is called out in the test is the Davis dam road where this test requires maintaining specified speeds towing at the rated weights (MAX) at a temp of at least 110*F with the A/C going full blast.
No overheating. no warnings etc. This is the real test of towing weight capacity. This is where the trucks ran into trouble.
Stability tests etc. are required as well.
Volvo knows towing. At one time they were one of the leading long haul truck manufacturers in the world. I think the truck division bought White and formed Volvo Trucks. 2nd largest truck company in the world. Of course the cars and trucks are different now, but Volvo made trucks since 1928.
I'm only guessing that the "test" is the one mentioned in the Volvo UK literature. If true....

Last time I looked Davis Dam Road was a long way from Death Valley.
Here is a link to that as well as comments on towing tests
That Dam Towing Test: New SAE Trailering Standards Explained - Tech Dept. - Car and Driver

If both statements are correct, so much for truth in advertising.....
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They never said all of the testing was in the desert. What is your point?
The whole idea is to bring some standards into the mix.
The hope was that the manufacturers would apply these standards to cars and trucks to give standards to more cars as well.
I think I would avoid the Davis dam road in the heat of the day as well Norm.
The thought is that modern cars could tow quite well compared to light trucks, but the ratings have been pretty arbitrary.
There is little difference in the testing standards in Europe and the SAE standards, but there are big marketing pressures to rate trucks high and cars lower.
The now disgraced VW TDI has high ratings of the reasons is the fact that there is less waste heat from the Diesel and better low end torque. ALso the better suspensions and lower center of gravity affects the handling both on tow and off.
I still wonder what is the point of post #26?
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Seems pretty clear, at least to those of us with limited education, that Volvo wants the reader to believe that the grade test was done in Death Valley.


But the included link in Post 26 has a lot of good info about towing specs as well.
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