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Old 04-14-2012, 02:26 PM   #15
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My 2400 pound trailer includes water and just about everything else. 18 gallons of water weighs a maximum of 144 lbs.
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Old 04-14-2012, 03:42 PM   #16
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Lizzie, the 150 lb. driver is usually included already, so you don't have to count that weight against the payload. That means in your example you would still be within limits.

The 16' Scamps in the Trailer Weights table run 2400 to 2800 lbs loaded for camping. That means with water and all. The 2800 lb one was a deluxe, which has wood cabinets instead of fiberglass ones. 16' Casitas tended to be heavier, and 17s heavier still. But 13s are lighter, of course. You do have plenty of choices among the lighter-weight models.
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Old 04-14-2012, 06:57 PM   #17
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[QUOTE=Lizzie;300986]Ok, thank you for all the information, but admittedly I am actually more confused at this point.

Sorry if my information has added to your woes. I figured the more information you have, the better equipped you are to make decisions.
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Old 04-14-2012, 07:16 PM   #18
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Lizzie, That is why I suggested that post. Because as you can read, weights do vary considerably among egg's! But do take into consideration that some of those weights reflect owners personal items. I do believe most people at the weigh in's remove some of the heavy stuff before pulling into get weighed as well as note how full/empty their tanks are.


My best recomendation is to find a lightweight one and then take it and have it weighed. Don't go my manufacture weights cause those are often wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And only show what the trailer weighed before things like fridges, airconditioners etc are installed.

As well as, if there are any after market add on's, they play into the weight gain.


Mike is correct, the driver is already taken into consideration as far as the tow cap.


You still have options, you just have to weigh those options to find what is gonna best suit your camping needs.


Tell me, When you say Bathroom do you only want a toilet room or do you want a bathroom with shower etc? Cause if you get one that only has a toilet room (sorry can't think of what they call it) it's much lighter in weight than a full fledged "bathroom". And since you like to boondock you could always carry an outdoor shower with you.

Again, do take the time to weigh any trailer your thinking about. And once you find the type of camping gear that best suits your camping needs than weigh it again, loaded.



500 pounds of gear, that may be over estimating since you said you camp lite........ But then again, it all add's up!

First things first you want to be safe on the road, second thing you don't want to put un-do stress on your vehicle, But really with your Tow Cap, you really do have options.

So many people come here and want to tow a trailer with VW or a sports car! Now that is when I worry.............................. LOL
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Old 04-14-2012, 08:05 PM   #19
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So many people come here and want to tow a trailer with VW or a sports car! Now that is when I worry.............................. LOL
Why worry? My VW Golf was rated by its manufacturer to tow 3,400 pounds! The US made hitches for them aren't designed to haul that kind of load, but you can now get the real German hitches in this country. Even with a class 1 US hitch, a Golf or Jetta could easily and legally tow a Scamp 13.
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I hope the people getting weighed did not remove things first, because that would have defeated the purpose of getting a 'real world weight' figure. I hope Frederick will chime in if he recalls whether this was a common practice at his weigh-ins.
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:55 PM   #21
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My best recomendation is to find a lightweight one and then take it and have it weighed. Don't go my manufacture weights cause those are often wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And only show what the trailer weighed before things like fridges, airconditioners etc are installed.

As well as, if there are any after market add on's, they play into the weight gain.


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I agree about the mfg. weights. Our trailer has an advertised dry weight of 2510 lbs. The weight of ours as it came from the factory is 3130 lbs. We are usually around 3600 - 3700 lbs loaded. It's a good idea to be aware of the weight you are actually towing. It's surprising how quick it adds up.
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Old 04-15-2012, 08:46 AM   #22
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Ok, now I feel a little silly. I guess I didn't realize that the weights that were posted on the list included supplies loaded on the trailer. I just thought like (was it Robyn who stated) that there may be variations is acutal straight trailer weights depending on the floorplan that the persons had selected. I know that adding a toilet or toilet/shower can add an extra 400+ lbs.
Dave, your information has been great1 - it was not your message that confused me - it was just the list with the weights. Actually, you inspired be to look further into the Trilliums. I spoke with Tom of Trillium on the phone yesterday to get some information. Nice guy and they seem like nice trailers.
All this just confirms that I still have a lot of research to do before we purchase.
PS: my neighbor, who has owned a few RVs, showed me how a porta-potty with a holding tank works - he has one from when they used to tent camp!
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I have towed my 17' Casita, Freedom Delux for the past 6 years with a 2000 Toyota Tundra with a small V-8. I average around 14 mpg when towing. The truck is almost at 200,000 miles and thinking I might want to replace it soon. I have been looking at websites for vehicles with decent gas mileage that will pull my egg like my Tundra. Any suggestions about the "right" vehicle? I would like to get somewhere around 25 mpg when towing and it should have room for a couple of bicycles.
If you are looking for 25MPG, you're gonna have to loose that 17Casita as well as the V8 Tundra. A 13ft fiberglass trailer is not just more convenient,it provides better economy. Buy the truck you're happy with... but be realistic about the size and weight of a Casita 17. It kinda crosses the line from the "biggest of the small" to the "smallest of the big".
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Old 04-15-2012, 09:09 AM   #24
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Lizzie, the 150 lb. driver is usually included already, so you don't have to count that weight against the payload. That means in your example you would still be within limits.

The 16' Scamps in the Trailer Weights table run 2400 to 2800 lbs loaded for camping. That means with water and all. The 2800 lb one was a deluxe, which has wood cabinets instead of fiberglass ones. 16' Casitas tended to be heavier, and 17s heavier still. But 13s are lighter, of course. You do have plenty of choices among the lighter-weight models.
A 150# driver is about as realistic as a 900# Scamp Maybe Frederick should start a list called "Driver weights in the real world!"
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Old 04-15-2012, 09:40 AM   #25
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Lizzzie,

The weight I gave for our Scamp 16 was the actual weight of our fully loaded Tow Vehicle and Scamp. No guess, we drove it across the scales at our town transfer station. The trailer weighed 2400 lbs and the car weighed 4000 pounds. It included both passengers in the car and is accurate as those scales. The 2400 lbs includes the 200 lb tongue weight.

On our trip around the country I regularly weigh our tongue weight, 3 times so far. Our tongue weight seems to vary about 10 lbs, depending on amount in the water tank and the amount of propane in the tank. It has always been withing a few pounds of 200 lbs.

I think the consistancy of the tongue weight probably says something about the trailer weight. As a rule we don't buy much that changes the trailer weight as we travel. When we buy something we usually throw something out.

I think as long term travelers there's not many ways for us to increase the weight. For example, we're not adding a generator or a large cooler for the weekend or adding another passenger or .....

Shortly we'll be making a significant weight addition, particularly to the tongue with a second battery. This is partof our plan over the next year it is our goal to increase our boondocking ability. As part of this plan we plan to also remove all the presswood doors on our cabinets, replacing them with something lighter and better looking.

The big decsion with weight for us dealt with whether to start with a Scamp 16, Casita 16 or Casita 17. As much as we like the Casita 17, it is simply too heavy (at least for any reasonable tow vehicle, reasonable in the sense of mpg). That left us the choice between a Scamp 16 and a Casita 16 and the Casita 16 is too short inside.

Of course everyone's finances and needs are different. We focus on long term costs of RVing since though not fulltimers, we're on the road a lot.
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Old 04-15-2012, 09:04 PM   #26
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I'm confused too. I am hoping to purchase a used 13' Casita Patriot Deluxe with the toilet and shower. I drive a Honda Pilot which is rated at 3500#. A lot of my travel will be in the mountains. I thought I'd be completely safe in a 13' but now I'm not so sure.
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I'm confused too. I am hoping to purchase a used 13' Casita Patriot Deluxe with the toilet and shower. I drive a Honda Pilot which is rated at 3500#. A lot of my travel will be in the mountains. I thought I'd be completely safe in a 13' but now I'm not so sure.
I've been towing everything from 6 horse horse trailers, stock trailers, TTs, boat trailers and now to my little Bigfoot for the last 45 years.
You should have absolutely no problem towing your desired trailer.
It's within the towing requirements of your Pilot.
I'm surrounded by the Sequoia National Forest so most of my camping and towing is in the mts..
I have also traveled through and camped in the Rockys.
The biggest problem is going to be finding an egg you like in California.
If you don't have a hitch yet I would reccomend you have one installed along with a brake controller because if you find one you like your going to miss it if you wait.

Good luck in your search,
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Thank you, thank you, thank you!!

John,
You have settled my fears! I already have the hitch installed and will start working on figuring out about the brake.
Again, thanks,
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