Towing with VW Golf GTI - Page 7 - Fiberglass RV


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 09-26-2015, 07:03 PM   #85
Senior Member
 
Name: None
Trailer: None
None
Posts: 2,727
My local RV dealer tows trailers around with a 2 cylinder John Deere garden tractor with a large counter
weight on the front . Tows well . Maybe it's a European. designed garden tractor ?
__________________

__________________
steve dunham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 07:12 PM   #86
CPW
Senior Member
 
CPW's Avatar
 
Name: Carl
Trailer: 2015 Escape 5.0TA
Flori-duh!
Posts: 934
Registry
Sorry, but I have to ask. Is that towing with a VW or is it polluting with a VW?


Sent from my iPhone using Fiberglass RV
__________________

__________________
CPW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 07:38 PM   #87
Senior Member
 
Name: JD
Trailer: Scamp 16 Modified (BIGLY)
Florida
Posts: 1,045
Quote:
Originally Posted by sarahspins View Post
Um, have you installed one? I'm guessing no, or you wouldn't say this. It is absolutely not held in place by "just" the bumper bolts.. it definitely goes into the sides of the frame and bolts do go in from factory mounting points the sides.

I"m glad you're such an expert on a product you neither own nor have any practical experience with

I am quite comfortable towing with my torklift hitch, and I believe it to be a MUCH better option than the curt hitch - but I don't ever plan on towing over 2000lbs. Even with the westfalia hitch I just wouldn't be comfortable doing that.



There isn't a separate manual for my model car for those with a standard transmission vs the DSG (auto)... it is the same manual handed out for each.
Sorry I miss spoke. The hitch does connect into the side rails, but as I remember the connection is only one additional bolt per side instead of both in the frame rail. The second set of bolts are some distance into the rail and have a better lever arm for support increasing the strength of the mounting into the car. But if you don't need the strength then all is OK with me. I was merely attempting to clarify the differences not denigrate your choice of hitch. I apologize if it seemed that way.
By the way the Euro style does not connect in anyway to the attach points that the bumper was removed from. Those holes are sealed with RTV.

If the both pickup points were use it is possible the hitch could be good for that 1500-1800 KG depending on the strength of the rest of the hitch.
The Torklift looks like a good hitch if you are not planning to use the total towing capability of the car (European rating that is) which would go to nearly 4000 lbs depending on the equipment and trim.
I was going to look the UK ratings up on the UK VW site, but they are closed for "Housekeeping" I guess.
Sorry about the mistake on the hitch.
Below are some drawings of the Torklift:



In this case the old bumper bar bolts on over the new hitch bar:



If the ratings for the Torklift meets your needs then then all is good.
__________________
redbarron55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 07:50 PM   #88
Senior Member
 
Name: JD
Trailer: Scamp 16 Modified (BIGLY)
Florida
Posts: 1,045
Quote:
Originally Posted by CPW View Post
Sorry, but I have to ask. Is that towing with a VW or is it polluting with a VW?


Sent from my iPhone using Fiberglass RV
That would be obNOXious towing.

Since I have two of them I am pretty interested in the outcome.
__________________
redbarron55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 07:56 PM   #89
Senior Member
 
Glenn Baglo's Avatar
 
Name: Glenn ( second 'n' is silent )
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B '08 RAV4 SPORT V6
British Columbia
Posts: 4,365
Speaking of bumpers and attachment points; drove past a Lexus that was parallel parked on a major street here today. The entire rear "bumper" was laying on the ground, kind of hanging from the car. There didn't appear to be any other damage ( like would occur if it had been rear-ended ).
Oddly, the parking space behind it was open.
__________________
What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
- Bertolt Brecht
Glenn Baglo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 08:13 PM   #90
CPW
Senior Member
 
CPW's Avatar
 
Name: Carl
Trailer: 2015 Escape 5.0TA
Flori-duh!
Posts: 934
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by redbarron55 View Post
That would be obNOXious towing.



Since I have two of them I am pretty interested in the outcome.

I'm betting you are going to get a substantial settlement when all is said and done. I think it will be difficult for VW to climb back up to prominence in das auto world. I cannot understand what made them think they wouldn't eventually get caught.


Sent from my iPhone using Fiberglass RV
__________________
CPW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 09:14 PM   #91
Senior Member
 
Bob Miller's Avatar
 
Name: Bob
Trailer: 1973 Hunter Compact II
California
Posts: 7,912
(Clip) There isn't a separate manual for my model car for those with a standard transmission vs the DSG (auto)... it is the same manual handed out for each.[/QUOTE]
=============================================
Then the questions is that if the owners manual differentiates between towing with the std vs the automatic transmission or not. If not, where did the Do Not Tow information for the automatic transmission come from that you mentioned.

Perhaps an individual manufactures is lacking in proper info, but for the most part, manufacturers are including adequate information for all models.

My 12 y.o. TV's owners manual has tow ratings for each of about 12 different configurations of the vehicle for which it is intended. Variations covered are automatic vs. 5 speed, 2 dr vs. 4 door, 2 or 4 wd and 1 special trim level.

The days of the suggested "Rubber Stamp" owners manuals are long gone, there is to much liability resting on the manufacturers to do anything less.

And, if one manufacturer isn't putting the necessary towing info in their manual, there is no reason to paint all others with that accusation.
__________________
Bob Miller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 09:27 PM   #92
Senior Member
 
Bob Miller's Avatar
 
Name: Bob
Trailer: 1973 Hunter Compact II
California
Posts: 7,912
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn Baglo View Post
Speaking of bumpers and attachment points; drove past a Lexus that was parallel parked on a major street here today. The entire rear "bumper" was laying on the ground, kind of hanging from the car. There didn't appear to be any other damage ( like would occur if it had been rear-ended ).
Oddly, the parking space behind it was open.
Me thinks that what you saw on the ground might have been what is now called a "Bumper Cover", The real bumper, for collision purposes, is the ugly metal part behind the cover. As the result of usually minor collisions, bumper covers are left along side the freeways in L.A. on almost a daily basis, thus becoming a secondary collision risk when they drift out into traffic lanes.
__________________
Bob Miller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 09:33 PM   #93
Senior Member
 
Glenn Baglo's Avatar
 
Name: Glenn ( second 'n' is silent )
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B '08 RAV4 SPORT V6
British Columbia
Posts: 4,365
I realize it's the cover which is why "bumper" was in quotes. Should have stuck around to see the expression on the Lexus owner's face when they returned. It sure didn't take much to knock it off, given that the Lexus was parked and I presume the other vehicle was parking.
__________________
What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
- Bertolt Brecht
Glenn Baglo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2015, 04:15 AM   #94
Senior Member
 
rbryan's Avatar
 
Name: Robert
Trailer: 2015 Escape 19 "Past Tents" 2015 F150 Lariat Ecoboost Crew Cab
Texas
Posts: 895
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carol H View Post
Yup totally agree the VW Touareg is an impressive little vehicle! Which reminds me that I need to go buy my Loto Max ticket!

But it sure leaves one questioning the validity of the suggestion by a certain Prop Hitch installer that VW is so scared of being sued in North America they have not put any tow spec of any kind on some of their other vehicles......especially head scratching considering not only did they put a NA tow spec on the Touareg they have put a whopping 7700lb tow spec on it! Which btw is a higher tow spec than some popular mid sized trucks. It is also not a vehicle that they sell in Mass numbers due to its cost, so it kind of blows that theory out the window as well.

Pricey to be sure, but no more so than my 2015 F150 Lariat - and similar towing capacity, with great fuel economy. Really hard to beat a Touareg as a tow vehicle, provided you have the means.


Sent from my iPhone using Fiberglass RV
__________________
"You can't buy happiness, but you can buy an RV. And that is pretty close."
rbryan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2015, 08:50 AM   #95
Senior Member
 
Name: JD
Trailer: Scamp 16 Modified (BIGLY)
Florida
Posts: 1,045
I don't know if VW's reluctance to give a tow rating is related to liability issues, but rather warranty concerns. The warranty is longer in the US than most other countries and covers more of the car. Like the towing issues on the DSG. The clutches in the DSG actually outlast the DMF flywheel by quite a bit being oil bath and multiple disc. There is little if any difference in the DSG vs. manual ratings in the UK and Germany.

What is happening now in VW is the culture will be challenged and hopefully changed.

VW's offerings in the US have always been limited and trailed behind the rest of the world. Perhaps with the culture shift VW will consider tow ratings for their passenger cars, but most likely they will instead build more CUVs and SUVs since those are more popular and have higher profit margins (assuming survival!). The new Tiguan will still be built on the Golf/Jetta platform, just taller with a higher CG.

As to the restrictive Euro towing standards what is the problem with that? We are talking height of hitches that match trailers. You just need fewer drop and rise adapters etc. Their "odd" electrics mostly are to detect lamp failures and insure good grounds with multiple pins (13 pin). Electric brakes vs surge brake would be an issue, but a rather small one. Tests have shown that the time advantage for the electric over surge is less than .3 seconds. Also testing has shown that in the case of sway putting on the trailer brakes, while a good thought, is usually not done in time to actually help control the vehicle.

The European and now US electronic trailer stabilization is a great safety addition and one reason I am using the VW TDI wagon for towing. In the case of detected trailer sway the computer accelerates or brakes individual wheels as necessary along with giving steering cues as well through the electric power steering system.

I understand all of the hullabaloo about liability etc whch is why my insurance company has the trailer and tow car on the policy and their concern was the wear and tear on the VW while towing not the liability of the pair.

Engineering wise I am not concerned about the loads etc. I have taken pains to keep the weight within reason and close to the axle centerline. I have lengthened the frame to allow for the front bath and also reduce the tongue loading. This also increases stability of the system.

Others should not tow with cars that they are concerned about the ratings in the US, but people should be aware of what smaller cars are capable of.
One hopes that with the new SAE guidelines manufacturers would test and rate both trucks and cars like they do in Europe where testing has been required for a long time. Of course they don't have the Davis dam road to use to test.
There are several items of importance here.

1. Stability under tow - mostly determined by the trailer geometry and loading
2. Pulling capability and cooling of the systems.
3. Braking (Discs at all four corners etc), but again this is determined by the trailer brakes.
4. Percentage of weight of the tow vehicle vs the trailer. Looking at trucks I wonder if this should really be a part of #1 above. I have seen many trucks towing trailers that make me wonder about them more than my VW and 16' Scamp.

I apologize for continuing to post on this thread since I said earlier I would not. Mostly because these discussions go the same way with the same people contributing the same "facts" and opinions. It seems to be mostly related to liability and not the capability of any particular TV - trailer combination or engineering limitations.
Perhaps one day I will learn how to let it go.

Sorry again for being one of the few that have no concern towing with my now obNOXious VW TDI. (Bob - Here I mean that I don't worry about towing with the VW TDI and Scamp even with the news that the TDI has been cheated by VW to pass NOX emission standards. If (in the southern slang) Y'all have concerns about my towing with the VW TDI then chill out, I know the trailer is back there, but it tows well and is very stable and no performance worries, even in 110* Texas heat.

If there is a flood of TDIs on the market cheap then if you have the fortitude to maintain one it makes a great tow car for the small eggs, US ratings taken inder personal advisement.

Being an engineer and in R&D for about 45 years I have a little bit of experience with things that roll and break (or not). I can make my own decisions. I can also ramble about a little.
__________________
redbarron55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2015, 09:29 AM   #96
Senior Member
 
Bob Miller's Avatar
 
Name: Bob
Trailer: 1973 Hunter Compact II
California
Posts: 7,912
(clip) "Sorry again for being one of the few that have no concern towing with my now obNOXious VW TDI. "


Are you saying that you have no concern towing with your vehicle or are you saying that we have no concern about you towing with your chosen vehicle. The context is somewhat confusing.


If the former, having no concern about towing with anything is concerning, somewhat like the guy that sez "I don't even know it's there. Both are bad ideas.


But there should soon be a flood of used TDI's on the market for those that want to try one.


And I seriously doubt that any insurance company puts concerns about wear and tear on a vehicle above their liability, insurance companies don't make money that way, and they make lots of money. An agent cannot speak for the company, their job is to sell policies, not contain claims. When you have something in writing, from an officer of the company, you will have something to talk about, until them all you have is talk, aka heresay.


And (but not last) a few <cr>'s makes posts more apt to be read.....
__________________
Bob Miller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2015, 09:34 AM   #97
MC1
Senior Member
 
MC1's Avatar
 
Name: Wayne
Trailer: Nest fan, Airstream Sold
Ontario
Posts: 2,006
For sure the guy in the Duramax pickup didn't see the vid of the T-Teg towing the Jumbo Jet prior to taking on the VW.



https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...DEC54778F74F3D
Attached Thumbnails
T-reg tows the 747.jpg  
__________________
MC1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2015, 10:00 AM   #98
Senior Member
 
Bob Miller's Avatar
 
Name: Bob
Trailer: 1973 Hunter Compact II
California
Posts: 7,912
Isn't this about the 27th time we have seen this publicity stunts youtube? Lets at least try to talk about FGRV related topics.
__________________

__________________
Bob Miller is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Why I hate Golf Donna D. Jokes, Stories & Tall Tales 5 04-12-2007 10:07 PM
My favorite golf course Legacy Posts Jokes, Stories & Tall Tales 2 02-22-2003 03:23 PM
Are any of you guys using golf cart batteries? Legacy Posts Problem Solving | Owners Helping Owners 4 02-11-2003 10:17 PM

» Upcoming Events
No events scheduled in
the next 465 days.
» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:07 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.