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Old 08-21-2010, 09:41 PM   #15
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Thanks so much for all of your input. I really don't want to tow overweight - I just can't figure out what I am allowed to and what is safe.

So I have the manual open...

Maximum Vehicle Weights (lbs):
Total Permissible Weight = 3,946
Maximum Payload = 1,168
Reg. Vehicle Weight = 2,778 (from the permit)
Max front axle load = 2,094
Max rear axle load = 2,006
Max roof weight = 165

Maximum Permissible Trailer Weights (lbs):
Trailer with brakes = 3,086
Trailer without brakes = 1,323
Tongue Load = 165

"The tongue load increases the weight of the rear axle and correspondingly reduces the other load that your vehicle can carry."

"Never exceed the Gross Vehicle Weight, which is the weight of the vehicle, including the driver, passengers, luggage, trailer hitch and tongue weight of the loaded trailer."

A few points....

1. I didn't consider trailer brakes before because I thought I was fine without but it more than doubles the permissible trailer weight (3,086 lbs).

2. The Boler manuals I have read state an unloaded weight of 900 lbs and a MAX Trailer Weight of 1250 lbs. To the poster who thought it would surely be higher - why would that be? We met a couple with a Boler last weekend (my introduction) and they were towing a 13' Boler (1200 lbs fully loaded / 800 lbs unloaded - they did have it weighed) plus 2 kids with a Honda Element.

So I figured...

Boler 1250 lbs (Max Permissible Trailer Weight without brakes 1,323 lbs)

Passengers 600 lbs
Tongue weight 125 lbs
Hitch 75 lbs ???
Luggage 200 lbs

Total Payload 1000 lbs (max 1,168 lbs)

Am I calculating this properly? If so, it seems fine (to me and VW). For those of you who disagree - please explain.

Thanks again for taking the time to ponder this with me.

Melanie

(Related question...Is it a big deal to install brakes?)
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Old 08-22-2010, 03:39 AM   #16
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I have only one thing to say to those who wish to tow overweight, read this:

Proper Tow Vehicles A Must! - GlamisDunes.com

Now tell me you want to tow overweight.

BTW1: Your hitch weight should be 10-15% of your trailer weight.

Here is a helpful website:

http://www.uhaul.com/hitches/glossary/

BTW2 : German specs only apply in Germany. I would use Canadian specs since you live in Canada...

BTW3 : There is no question that we are a litiginous society, moreso than European countries. Ignore at your peril.

BTW4: Here is a discussion of Boler weight:

Boler Weight
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Old 08-22-2010, 09:13 AM   #17
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I have only one thing to say to those who wish to tow overweight, read this:

Proper Tow Vehicles A Must! - GlamisDunes.com

Now tell me you want to tow overweight.
There's a big difference between a truck pulling four times it's own weight and a car pulling less than half it's own weight. It is hard to convince anyone who hasn't done it on a regular basis, but it is a very stable setup. Nobody in their right minds should drive very fast while trailing.
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Old 08-22-2010, 12:02 PM   #18
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It was never my intent to stir up a hornets nest by remarking that under-sized under-powered vehicles weren't capable of towing a trailer under ideal conditions. I notice that most of the comments advocating using these minisule TV's are, by and large, what we out west would refer to as "flatlanders". I just wonder what kind of towing results you would achieve trying to go up and over some our western mountain passes at 6,000 - 7,000 ft elevations, in much thinner air, and with a line of irate vehicles stacked up behind your little pipsqueak "I think I can, I think I can" tugs. Yeah, you can probably eventually make it in first gear, but your vehicle would probably hate you forever for putting it through such torture. Cruelty to tow vehicles should be a crime. At least holding up traffic on a long mountain uphill drag should be! Oh, and don't forget...you will be wearing out your brakes real quick too because what goes up must come down, hopefully under some form of control. You people who insist on using rediculously under powered vehicles for towing really scare me.

I'm sure this will ignite another firestorm, but it's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it!

P.S. And no, I don't have a huge truck, I have a 2004 Nissan Frontier, V-6. It's not a large truck, but sufficient for hauling, even through these high mountain passes, but yet still economical to operate.
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Old 08-22-2010, 07:24 PM   #19
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Greg, I don't disagree with you. There are certain conditions when vehicles should not drive. I don't just mean TVs, I mean any vehicle. My car does not have a lot of ground clearance or 4 wheel drive. Someone could argue that I shouldn't own this car because sometimes, in some places, it snows. Well, I don't drive my car in conditions that wouldn't be reasonably safe. The same holds true when towing. Not just towing with a small car, but towing with anything. Do you think an F350 towing its maximum payload would be able to get over a mountain pass at the speed limit? What about a tractor trailer? I doubt it. However, those are considered acceptable tow vehicles.

I have been through the Rockies. I know what it is like. I have seen cars and trucks with NOTHING in tow that can't keep up and end up holding up traffic. You make a good argument, but should not limit it to small TVS, or TVs at all, but rather ALL vehicles.

By the way, we have steep hills out on the east coast, too. Our mountains are much smaller, but our highways tend to go over, rather than wind around them. There are many hills that need special lanes for tractor trailers because they can't keep up. Many cars downshift, too... cars without trailers.
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Old 08-23-2010, 12:01 PM   #20
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Greg, I don't disagree with you. There are certain conditions when vehicles should not drive. I don't just mean TVs, I mean any vehicle. My car does not have a lot of ground clearance or 4 wheel drive. Someone could argue that I shouldn't own this car because sometimes, in some places, it snows. Well, I don't drive my car in conditions that wouldn't be reasonably safe. The same holds true when towing.
Sometimes conditions get bad real fast. In the blink of an eye.

We have been almost run off the road several times. I think vehicles towing trailers become invisible. And I'm talking about a one ton truck towing a 22ft trailer!

Weather can turn on you too. Many years ago we were going up to a local lake here in So Cal the last weekend in April. We checked the weather forecast and there was a chance of light showers. On the way up the mountain an unexpected cold front/storm blew in very quickly. It hailed and then started snowing heavily. There was no where to pull off. I was scared to death. I can not imagine what would have happened if we had been towing with a marginal T.V. Hubby slowed to a crawl as did everyone else going up the road and we made it safely.

I have a two wheel drive Explorer rated to tow my very heavy Boler (2200lbs). I hate towing with it. My next vehicle is going to be a truck, a 4x4 truck!

I realize many people are comfortable towing with smaller rigs but I am not.
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Old 08-23-2010, 08:29 PM   #21
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You don't have to be in the mountains. I-90 going west from the Columbia River at Vantage to Ryegrass Ridge is 13 long miles of uphill. My Jeep Cherokee just wouldn't tow my boat in third. I had to stay in second all the way. This meant a maximum speed of 30 mph on an expressway! It was the worst hill on I-90 all the way from Milwaukee, WI.

I haven't done that stretch yet with my present setup. May prove to be interesting. But at least the Subaru has 5 gears, not just 3; he, he.

The grade up the Siskoyous did take us down to 40 mph if I recall.

According to Wikipedia:

Maximum grade. Maximum grade is determined by a table, with up to 6% allowed in mountainous areas and hilly urban areas.

BTW: There is a difference between a truck pulling twice its own weight and a car pulling half of its. It is this: The truck was designed to do it.
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Old 08-23-2010, 09:39 PM   #22
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Sometimes conditions get bad real fast. In the blink of an eye.

We have been almost run off the road several times. I think vehicles towing trailers become invisible. And I'm talking about a one ton truck towing a 22ft trailer!

Weather can turn on you too. Many years ago we were going up to a local lake here in So Cal the last weekend in April. We checked the weather forecast and there was a chance of light showers. On the way up the mountain an unexpected cold front/storm blew in very quickly. It hailed and then started snowing heavily. There was no where to pull off. I was scared to death. I can not imagine what would have happened if we had been towing with a marginal T.V. Hubby slowed to a crawl as did everyone else going up the road and we made it safely.

I have a two wheel drive Explorer rated to tow my very heavy Boler (2200lbs). I hate towing with it. My next vehicle is going to be a truck, a 4x4 truck!

I realize many people are comfortable towing with smaller rigs but I am not.
We are with you on this point Lizbeth, we would rather have a bit heavier tow vehicle for safety than a couple more miles per gallon. There generally aren't 2nd chances.
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Old 08-23-2010, 09:56 PM   #23
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Melanie, As you see some of us have different opinions.

I lean way to the safety first side. I understand some think that it's ok when it's close. Can your car pull it, I am pretty sure it can. The million dollar question is, can it do so safely? Not only for the reasons given about liability, etc. But for the safety of your family. There have been to many horror stories of family's seriously injured, killed due to improper towing. I have read to many.

Some people don't realize how quickly the weight gets added to the trailer and car. A darn ice chest with soda, beer and ice can add a lot of weight. Lawn chairs, grills, sleeping bags, pots, pans and all the other camping gear can take you hundreds of pounds over your already cutting it close tow cap. Then add you, your spouse and your children and your not only underpowered (most likely) but your over weight which can reek havoc on the performance of the car and the handling of the trailer.

I love the fact that you want to share the experience of camping with your family. I love that your even investigating if it's a possibility! (so many don't). And I hope you can find a trailer that would work best for your family's camping needs and be safe at the same time.


There are other brands that weigh less, have you considered them? I would also recommend a sway bar (it will allow for more control). Keeps us informed on what you decide. And good luck on your hunt...........
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Old 08-24-2010, 05:56 AM   #24
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Melanie, I had the same range of feedbacks when I asked about towing with my 5 speed 2.0L Jetta. I have been traveling with mine constantly with NO problems at all. Just to be safe, I had brakes installed and I can stop on a dime. Last week I drove from New Brunswick, through Maine, through the White Mountains of NH and CT, through Quebec and Ontario, including downtown Toronto, through northern Ontario and back. I travel by myself so I can't comment on multiple people but I;m thrilled with my set up.
Good luck. PM me if you want more detailed info.
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"We cannot answer that for you. We can just argue about whether vehicles get weaker and drivers get dumber on this side of the ocean. VW seems to think so. "

While I know that engineering technology has given us more horsepower per cubic inch, (or liters for those into metrics,) than older vehicles were able to provide. That being said, I still agree with the fact that a majority of todays drivers have definitely gotten a lot dumber than drivers used to be. Anybody who thinks that driving skills and common sense haven't deteriorated exponentially, especially in the good ole U.S., hasn't been out on the roads much lately. There isn't a day that goes by I don't see some absolutely imbecilic activities occurring while driving down the road.

Unfortunately, you can't legislate stupidity...
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:15 AM   #26
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Conclusion

So after all of that...I'm buying a new tent tonight!

I received so many different opinions / views but I really don't feel comfortable taking a risk, especially with two little ones. I'm still shopping though - and hopefully will find a Boler that needs restored for a really good deal - and when we buy a new vehicle in a few years, we'll make sure it can safely tow a loaded Boler.

Thanks guys.
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"We cannot answer that for you. We can just argue about whether vehicles get weaker and drivers get dumber on this side of the ocean. VW seems to think so. "

While I know that engineering technology has given us more horsepower per cubic inch, (or liters for those into metrics,) than older vehicles were able to provide. That being said, I still agree with the fact that a majority of todays drivers have definitely gotten a lot dumber than drivers used to be. Anybody who thinks that driving skills and common sense haven't deteriorated exponentially, especially in the good ole U.S., hasn't been out on the roads much lately. There isn't a day that goes by I don't see some absolutely imbecilic activities occurring while driving down the road.

Unfortunately, you can't legislate stupidity...
Definitely not only in the good ole U.S., here too
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Roger,
Just down use a mustang to tow your boat article here
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