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Old 08-24-2010, 04:37 PM   #29
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Just down use a mustang to tow your boat article here
Living on the water, I've seen people do some pretty dumb things at boat ramps... usually in truck, though. We used to launch our sailboat with a 240D Mercedes all the time. Never had a problem. That car had all of 68 horsepower, and was rear wheel drive. Pulled a 4,000 pound sailboat out mod the water without straining.

The guy in the mustang must have done something really dumb. A boat won't pull you into the warer, because once the boat reach the water, it floats! Once it floats, there is only the weight of the trailer behind the car. Boat ramps can get slippery, and can be in various stated of disrepair... I'm betting the guy was in reverse and thought he was in drive/first or there was a drop off at the edge of the ramp and he backed in too far.
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Old 08-24-2010, 07:25 PM   #30
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Actually, it was a 1977 Jeep Cherokee 2dr, 4wd with a 258 cubic inch, 4.2 liter AMC inline-6 engine and 3 speed. (with the 4wd it actually had 6 speeds, but I couldn't use 4wd on dry pavement). Of course I had a machinist's tool chest in the back full of tools, and other heavy things.
Actually, this is a good illustration of power vs speed. That engine had plenty of pulling power, it just was not geared for speed. (Vantage Bridge = 574 ft alt; Ryegrass Summit = 2535 ft alt). It is not as steep as other grades but it is l o n g.
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Old 08-24-2010, 08:32 PM   #31
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Roger are you saying the summit was 2535 ft? 'Cus.....well.....that's a tiny hill.
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Old 08-24-2010, 08:33 PM   #32
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Melanie,

Sounds like a good plan. There are some pretty neat tents nowadays: Really light and easy to set up and practically leak proof! You can even touch the walls when it rains (Probably only funny if you ever camped in an old canvas tent....)

Your plan to move into a Boler sounds like another smart one. If you find a fixer-upper, it can be a relaxed family project (since you will have the tent concurrently), and once you have it ready to roll you can get a suitable tow vehicle. Heck, when the kids get older they may very well enjoy the tent as their own "private suite."

Roll on! (And keep us posted on your Boler quest )

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Old 08-24-2010, 08:55 PM   #33
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If the Boler is too heavy, and a tent doesn't scare you away, take a look at the Quicksilver aluminum popup campers over at http://www.livinlite.com/
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:57 AM   #34
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If the Boler is too heavy, and a tent doesn't scare you away, take a look at the Quicksilver aluminum popup campers over at Quicksilver All Aluminum Ultra Light Campers, Ultralight Campers, Lightweight Campers, Ultra-Lightweight Campers
Thanks for the link...Lighter than the Boler? Maybe. As beautiful? Not even close. I think I'll hold out for a Boler.

Any other lightweight options on the market?
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Old 08-26-2010, 12:34 PM   #35
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I also tow with a car and not one for supporting the overkill on tows as I like leaving a slightly smaller foot print in the environmental department but I am with Raya on this one. Not a chance I would tow with a cap of 1321 lbs -would scare me. Not only is the tow weight to great for the car but I would be suprised if you can find a pro who would install a class II hitch on a car with a 1321lb rating - suspect they would worry about being sued for doing it. Been known to be wrong though! :-)
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Old 08-26-2010, 01:10 PM   #36
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I also tow with a car and not one for supporting the overkill on tows as I like leaving a slightly smaller foot print in the environmental department but I am with Raya on this one. Not a chance I would tow with a cap of 1321 lbs -would scare me. Not only is the tow weight to great for the car but I would be suprised if you can find a pro who would install a class II hitch on a car with a 1321lb rating - suspect they would worry about being sued for doing it. Been known to be wrong though! :-)
Remember, the tow rating WITH trailer brakes is up around 3000 lbs and that would require a class 2 hitch...no?
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Sorry Melanie I didn't "remember" as I only read your first post were you were asking about towing with a tow cap of 1321lbs - no mention of the tow had a higher number with trailer brakes :-) If your tow manual states the cap goes up to the 3000lb range then you should have no issues getting a Class II installed and IMHO towing a 13' glass egg with brakes. I still would not tow anything without brakes over the 1300lbs though even if I had the right class hitch on the car.
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Old 08-26-2010, 04:30 PM   #38
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Carol,

Yes, I would have answered differently if I had known the car was rated to tow 3,000 lbs., but that was added info later in the thread.

I still think the OP might run into issues with capacity when taking all of the weight of four passengers and gear into account, and comparing that to some of the other VW specs (which one has to do).

Sounds like she has a plan though
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Suspect your right Raya re total cap. I have no idea as to what that might be on the tow in question but hope its checked as well. I also did not read through to see she has 4 passangers. One of the reasons I am comfortable with my tow is that I don't have any more than 2 passangers which also = less gear in the tow and the trailer. If I had a full car as well I might not feel so good about it all.
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Old 08-26-2010, 10:45 PM   #40
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Melanie, I just saw this post on the general forum and I remember this "new" option being discussed before. Hopefully all the info will be found for you and others who have tow cap issues.

Here a link to the post on general forums. Modular camper

I also wanted to comment on the weight of a loaded boler as being in the 1250 range. From reading here, many times quoted trailer weights from manufactures are not the actual/accurate weights. I am not saying this is the case with the bolers your interested in. And though I think you have solved your camping dilemma for at least a few fun future campouts with a tent (plus I believe it's a wise decision until you have the proper tow vehicle for family towing). But I kinda figured out that your, heart is set on a Boler (they are cute lil things!) But would suggest taking anything you are interested in buying to the nearest weight station and finding out the accurate empty weight before you buy.

Also do not take manufactures weights at face value (even new) because many of the weights stated are before upgrades and appliances are installed. Have a wonderful time camping with your tent. I hope you create many great family memory's.

I would also check out this link that Frederick post every weight in he does. It will show you how "weighty" some of our trailers can be. Trailer Weighing at The Oregon Gathering


If you look into the archived Rally forum you will find weight in info over the years. I didn't see any Bolers in the link I sent you but, as I said check into the other Oregon archives if you want to investigate further.
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Old 09-10-2010, 05:09 AM   #41
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.......capacity of 1321 lbs .......
The 1321lb strange number in metric is 600kg.
I live in the US and Poland. It is interesting to compare opinions from both sides of the Atlantic. I am finalizing the purchase of Niewiadow N126D (better known in Canada as Cadet) to be pulled by my Opel Astra with a 1.4l engine (if 2l is a lawn mower engine the 1.4l should be from a weed eater). Trailer GVW is 650kg (X 2.2 = 1430lb) with an available load of 120 kg (264lb). The Opel Astra towing capacity is 850kg (1870lb) for a trailer with brakes and 550kg (1210kg) without. In the US I have a 21’Bigfoot towed by an F350 with 7.3 diesel which gives me a good perspective to compare pluses and minuses on each side of the pond.
With my Astra I get 43-46mpg cruising at 80mph (max highway speed in Pl) not towing, with towing it will likely be around 25mpg. With gas average price at $6/US Gal in EU or $8 in Norway folks here pay more attention to gas mileage then in the US. Reading an average car review in EU, the primary evaluation criteria is gas mileage followed down the list by acceleration. So, acceleration or towing speed up a hill is not as critical here as they tend to be in the US. Back in the eighties, I had a Fiat Spider 2000 with a proud number of 9 sec to 60mph which was not as good as the current 7sec for a F150 pick-up truck.
Regarding towing regulations, the EU is more stringent than the US, even though towing capacities are higher here for the same passenger car than in the US. For example: hitch installation must be approved by an appropriate agency and approval needs to be stamped in the car’s registration. If the police suspects an overweight trailer they would weigh the trailer right on the road (especially in Germany) and in case of a violation not allow further driving. Maximum towing allowed is a lower number from either hitch or car capacity documented in a registration license.
Weight distribution hitches are not used in the EU so tongue weight is critical. For my Astra/Niewiadow combination the tongue weight of 40kg (88lb) is recommended with a maximum weight of 60kg (132lb). As an interesting note, all cars in the EU have either automatic or manual headlight leveling to assure correct adjustment with different loads; for towing this is a great feature.
It is easy for all of us to prefer what we are accustomed to. For many years, governments in Europe used fuel sale taxes and registration fees to induce technology development toward better gas mileage and to lower gas consumption. So it should not be a surprise that the RV industry in Europe is very different than in the US. I remember once a couple stopped at our campsite praising the look of our 21’ Bigfoot, their first (and last) question was how many pullouts it has?; none and the discussion stalled. I have not seen one pullout in Europe.
Different folks have different strokes, but for some the common desire in the US as in Europe is camping. I wish that Europe would learn from the US about superior campgrounds and the US would learn from Europe about light weight RV technology.
I am looking forward to using my new Niewiadow for a one month trip next year in France and compare our experience with using our Bigfoot in the US.
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Old 09-10-2010, 10:41 AM   #42
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lots of tow capacity!!!

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I have a 2008 VW City Golf (2.0 litre, manual trans) with a Towing Capacity of 1321 lbs (taken from the manual) - trailer hitch Class 1 and 2. I am shopping for a 13' Boler, loaded = 1250 lbs. I talked to the VW dealer - they say it's fine - but I'm getting a sense from this website that I'm crazy to consider such a thing.

We live in the city and hardly drive our car during the week - in fact, it's relatively new (20000 kms - 20 months old) so I'd hate to have to purchase a new vehicle just to tow an rv - we'd take a hit, for sure ($$) . We have recently 'rediscovered' camping with our 2 small children this summer and hope to be able to purchase a Boler asap. Is this combo safe or should I stick to a tent?

Is there anyone out there towing a Boler with a small car?
HI Melanie

I just bought a 73 boler, and I have an 2003 Jetta Tdi 5 speed manual, I towed this trailer an hour home, and here is what i noticed:


NOTHING.....it is a dream to tow, ..........i think with the Tdi engine, it has a little more low end torque than the gassers, and this will help with towing, I like to call myself am avid VW fan, and have done a lot of research into the tdi and VW's in general

but here are some things to consider:

1) in europe, the tow rating for a new MK6 (which is what you have, anything from 2006 and newer) the tow rating is 3200 Lbs, but that is with a European hitch, this included gas and TDI's

the difference in hitches is that our N. american hitches attach to the sheet metal on the drivers side spare wheel well, and the tow hook on the passenger side

the European hitch replaces the metal bumper (behind the plastic bumber) and is inserted into the frame channels

http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/a...1&d=1284132706

this is the European hitch installed, 3200# towing

http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/a...1&d=1284132706

this is the N. American hitch as you can see on the left it attaches to the sheet metal on the drivers side this is a class I so rated for 2000#


so I would say that you would be okay towing a boler trailer up to 2000#'s with a class I N. American hitch, so long as you add brakes, cause your car is a lot lighter than a Jetta, but the hitch is not an issue either way you go, I would think that stopping is more important than going....!!

a N. american hitch will run you about $200

to buy a European hitch, (shipped from over sea's) will run you about $400 + install which is a lot more complex but still a DIY job!!

hope this helps

I would not hesitate to tow a Boler with your NEW VW, even if it was slightly over the N. American tow rating, the car can handle it, so long as you drive accordingly

Paul

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